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Old 09-13-2008, 01:46 AM
Jeff▲Relf
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Default Would you call FunkenStein an idiot ? do you know who he is ?

dlzc quoted “ [Only registered users see links. ] ” and said:
“ Observation seems to agree with theory ‘ really closely ’. ”
and FunkenStein replied:
“ True. Neither one goes anywhere near the event horizon. ” .

Now, I know you will always call me an “ idiot ”,
just like you call most people idiots;
but would you call FunkenStein an idiot ? do you know who he is ?

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Old 09-13-2008, 02:33 AM
Eric Gisse
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Default Would you call FunkenStein an idiot ? do you know who he is ?

On Sep 12, 5:46 pm, Jeff$B"%(BRelf <Jeff_R...@Seattle.Invalid> wrote:

Only because you say idiotic things.


This is you saying yet another idiotic thing - I do not call most
people idiots. Just the ones who say idiotic things.


I'd just call him clueless, I neither know or care who he is as
neither are relevant to what he wrote.
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Old 09-13-2008, 03:26 AM
Jeff▲Relf
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Default FunkenStein is “ clueless ” about black holes, according to Eric Gisse.

Just restating what your opinion, for the record.

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Old 09-13-2008, 03:43 AM
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Default Dense is one thing; infinitely, metaphysically dense is quiteanother.

Dear Jeff$B"%(BRelf:

On Sep 11, 5:36 pm, Jeff$B"%(BRelf <Jeff_R...@Seattle.Invalid> wrote:

There are objects that are optically dark, have accretion disks, and
surface interactions. These fit "neutron star" very nicely.

There are objects that are optically dark, have accretion disks, and
NO surface interactions. These fit "black hole" very nicely.


I don't think you are dense, or at least that dense. But keep at it.

It is quite clear that you don't realize a "sheet" of spacetime with a
curvature decribing an escape velocity of c does not itself scatter or
emit light, such that it could be seen. Ilja places a surface above
the event horizon, and every bit of matter incoming must strike it,
and the energy of that collision is not "red shifted to
unobservability".

You clearly want to believe that we are safe from the LHC destroying
the Earth, because black holes do not exist. Whatever makes you
happy. I think it is not a problem, because Nature has already done
worse, will do even worse in the future, and I expect the Earth will
care not one whit how fast a proton or nucleus is moving. A tiny
black hole evaporates in a very short time, just as "dual to black
holes" do.

David A. Smith
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Old 09-13-2008, 03:52 AM
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Default Would you call FunkenStein an idiot ? do you know who he is ?

Dear Jeff$B"%(BRelf:

On Sep 12, 6:46 pm, Jeff$B"%(BRelf <Jeff_R...@Seattle.Invalid> wrote:

.... which you obviously did not read ...


Review the history. I believe I have never called you an idiot, but
if you feel you are, why do you continue to post?


That is a bald-faced lie. I have called people liars. But not "most
people", or even "most people that disagree with me".


I could care less. "funkenstein", like you, made no reply with any
sort of discussion indicated, no citations, just a one-liner
purposefully intended to be obtuse. If they are not interested in
discussion, enough to bother with a substantive reply, what business
is it of yours? Are you "his" puppy, "his" cheering squad? Don't
answer that.

Do you, Jeff, have something substantive to say on this topic, or are
you just going to snipe? I can take you out of my killfile if you
want to talk physics...

David A. Smith
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Old 09-13-2008, 03:51 PM
Jeff▲Relf
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Default Would cigs and thousand-island dressing on my hot dogs do ?

I don't drink beer, coffee, pop pills, inject or anything like that.
Would cigs and thousand-island dressing on my hot dogs do ?

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Old 09-13-2008, 04:10 PM
Jeff▲Relf
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Default The “ Heritage ” as listed in Your header.

My comments were in in reply to Eric Gisse.

If you could use a proper newsreader .. ahem .. you would've known that,
because you would've seen the “ Heritage ” as listed in Your header.
FYI, it looks like this ( oldest Message-ID first ):
dlzc news:[Only registered users see links. ]
funkenstein news:[Only registered users see links. ]
Jeff▲Relf news:Jeff_Relf@Seattle.2008_Sep.12|5.33pm|C
Eric‸Gisse news:[Only registered users see links. ]
Jeff▲Relf news:Jeff_Relf@Seattle.2008_Sep.12|6.46pm|A
dlzc news:[Only registered users see links. ]

P.S. Plonk me ! that'll make me look even better, compared to you.

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Old 09-14-2008, 09:24 PM
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Default Dense is one thing; infinitely, metaphysically dense is quiteanother.

What worries me is that they say the LHC is safe because nature has
already done a lot of such experiments on Earth and we still exist.

The problem is that the experiment is NOT identical.

The natural experiment is: cosmic ray against still particle --> mini
black hole that moves at quasi-luminal speed

LHC experiment is: two particles creating a mini black hole which is STILL.

Do you think it's the same experiment? It doesn't seem to me. What if it
comes out that the mini black holes are not stable at relativistic
speeds but are stable when still? The math of black holes is
unknown/unconfirmed at this time.

Or maybe both evaporate but the natural mini black holes (at
relativistic speeds) evaporate much faster? If the LHC one takes 1 day
to evaporate it is already too much, probably 1 hour is too much!

Besides, are we sure that the natural ones evaporate in less than 1 day?
Would have we detected them if it took 1 day to evaporate?

These people at least could have made the LHC so that the black holes be
created at 12Km/sec so that at least would escape Earth orbit even in
case they are stable, but they are creating them still, these foxes!
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Old 09-14-2008, 09:38 PM
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Default Dense is one thing; infinitely, metaphysically dense is quite another.


"qwert" <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message
news:48cd8124$0$33708$[Only registered users see links. ] anews.com...

What worries you is that you are paranoid. It doesn't worry me,
I'm sane. Let's face it, you know sweet ****-all and are babbling.



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Old 09-15-2008, 11:51 AM
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Default Would you call FunkenStein an idiot ? do you know who he is ?

On Sep 13, 5:52 am, dlzc <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote:

My apologies, I was rather obtuse and didn't really follow the
thread.

My point was just that we know very little about the state of matter/
energy that exists in massive collapsed stars inside the schwarzschild
radius, or inside the schwarzschild radius of the massive object in
Sgr.A.

On that subject, I must confess idiocy.


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