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The "Venus/Mercury Radar Reflection Conjunction Anomaly", is a firm motive to question Special relativity and a support for the idea of "Planetary lightspeed frame dragging" by a so called LASOF. ( Local Anti-Symmetrical Oscillati

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Old 11-03-2007, 10:22 AM
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The "Venus/Mercury Radar Reflection Conjunction Anomaly", is a firm
motive to question Special relativity and a support for the idea of
"Planetary lightspeed frame dragging" by a so called LASOF. ( Local
Anti-Symmetrical Oscillating vacuum Frame)
In 1964 it was I.I.Shapiro who made precise radar reflection
measurements on Venus and Mercury. He found a peculiar reflection
anomaly for both planets around the moment of conjunction. He didn't
have a clear explanation for this anomaly ( see the text on top of
page 170)
Around the 10-15th of may and 20-27 july 1964, we can see a clear
change in the radar reflection of Venus, which in my perspective can
only have one origin: the influence of the overlapping Earth related
globular extinction LASOF (local anti-symmetrical oscillating vacuum
frame) with Venus. This was reason to accept that the radius of the
LASOF globule should be about 70 million km. As a logic result, the
Venus related LASOF should have a radius of 54 million km. For Mercury
the LASOF radius should be 21 million km. see:
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Leo Vuyk.

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Old 11-03-2007, 04:31 PM
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Frame dragging, and gravitational time dilation have nothing to
do with Special relativity.

David A. Smith


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Old 11-03-2007, 04:31 PM
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<[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message
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Frame dragging, and gravitational time dilation have nothing to
do with Special relativity.

David A. Smith


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Old 11-04-2007, 01:42 PM
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If a radar signal leaves the Earth with a speed C-v, (v. earth orbital
speed)and after a 70 million km travel the speed has become C
(extinct), --after bouncing back on the approaching Venus--- the radar
signal leaves Venus with the speed of C+v, (v. Venus orbital speed)
and after 54 million km this speed has become also C, THEN FIGURE 3-4
OF THE SHAPIRO RADAR REFLECTION ANOMALY CAN BE EXPAINED, by the mutual
overlap of Venus and later Earth of te "extinction distances".

Leo Vuyk.

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Old 11-04-2007, 01:42 PM
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If a radar signal leaves the Earth with a speed C-v, (v. earth orbital
speed)and after a 70 million km travel the speed has become C
(extinct), --after bouncing back on the approaching Venus--- the radar
signal leaves Venus with the speed of C+v, (v. Venus orbital speed)
and after 54 million km this speed has become also C, THEN FIGURE 3-4
OF THE SHAPIRO RADAR REFLECTION ANOMALY CAN BE EXPAINED, by the mutual
overlap of Venus and later Earth of te "extinction distances".

Leo Vuyk.

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Old 11-04-2007, 05:39 PM
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Dear LeoVuyk:

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Dead on arrival. There are many high-z objects that are eclipsed
by the Moon. They do not eclipse a few seconds later than they
should, they eclipse (and reveal) exactly when the edge of the
Moon crosses their apparent position. A little over 1 second
later, we see the light.

The speed of *any* light is c locally. Regardless of
source-detector velocity.

Rest of your "ignorance flagellation" snipped.

You claim a challenge to SR, yet you ignore that you are dealing
with a space with non-negligible mass. SR does not apply to
locales with non-negligible mass. And you persist in your
ignorance, and welcome others to join in.

David A. Smith


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Old 11-04-2007, 05:39 PM
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Dear LeoVuyk:

<[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message
news:1194183755.183772.10600@o80g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...

Dead on arrival. There are many high-z objects that are eclipsed
by the Moon. They do not eclipse a few seconds later than they
should, they eclipse (and reveal) exactly when the edge of the
Moon crosses their apparent position. A little over 1 second
later, we see the light.

The speed of *any* light is c locally. Regardless of
source-detector velocity.

Rest of your "ignorance flagellation" snipped.

You claim a challenge to SR, yet you ignore that you are dealing
with a space with non-negligible mass. SR does not apply to
locales with non-negligible mass. And you persist in your
ignorance, and welcome others to join in.

David A. Smith


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Old 11-05-2007, 09:21 PM
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I like your persitence in defending SR.

Leo.

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I like your persitence in defending SR.

Leo.

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Old 11-06-2007, 02:04 AM
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Dear LeoVuyk:

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I do not defend SR. I have been trying to point out that
gravitational phenomenon *alone* break SR. You want to attack GR
with gravity, not SR. It is a shame you don't know enough to
realize this.

David A. Smith


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