Go Back   Science Forums Biology Forum Molecular Biology Forum Physics Chemistry Forum > General Science Forums > Physics Forum
Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Physics Forum Physics Forum. Discuss and ask physics questions, kinematics and other physics problems.


What electricity is really made of

What electricity is really made of - Physics Forum

What electricity is really made of - Physics Forum. Discuss and ask physics questions, kinematics and other physics problems.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-17-2006, 02:41 AM
stone
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default What electricity is really made of



Theories of Ed Leedskalnin, inventor of coral castle in Florida.

Backed up by experiments. You can buy his books and research his experiments
yourself. They are real elementary physics experiments.

I'll summarize what he found out by experimenting with magnets. Just like
physics considers an electron or proton to be the smallest unit of electric
charge, there is a smallest unit of magnetism which he calls north and south
pole individual magnets. They are free to flow in metals, in the air and in
other things. The iron shavings around a bar magnet trace their path. From
the North end of a magnet, there are many north pole magnets flowing out and
going around the outside of the magnet and coming into the south pole of the
magnet and then running in the metal and returning to the North pole. From
the South pole of the magnet, there are many south pole magnets flowing out
and going around the outside of the magnet and going into the North pole and
flowing through the metal and returing to the South pole. Some flow straight
out from the poles and don't return, but are replaced by others from the
air.


Mineral, Vegetable and Animal Life, Copyright October 1945 By Edward
Leedskalnin Quote:
"The North pole magnets come out of the battery's positive terminal and
South pole magnets come out of car battery's negative terminal. To be sure
it is so, you get two pieces of soft steel welding rod four inches long, put
them in clips and connect them with the car battery. Put those two loose rod
ends together until the rod gets hot. Now test each of those rod ends you
were putting together with a small needle-like horizontally hanging magnet.
Then you will see the one which is connected with positive terminal is North
pole magnet, and the one which is connected with negative terminal is South
pole magnet (Like poles repulses, and unlike poles attract). You can change
the rod peices, but every time the one is connected with positive terminal
will be North pole magnet, and the one connected with negative terminal will
be South pole magnet".

Experimenting with small magnets hung over a wire carring a current he
concludes this: Electricity is really north pole magnets flowing out from
the + terminal of a battery and flowing through the wire with a right hand
twist and there is an opposite flow of south pole magnets coming out of
the - terminal of a battery and flowing in the wire with a right hand twist.
Modern electronics developed with the theoretical notion of a positive
current flowing through a wire, but this is only a way of thinking about
electricity to describe and quantify its effects. There is no real positive
current flowing through the wire, because protons will not flow through a
wire like electricity. Free electrons in the wire only have a slow drift
speed, so negative charge cannot flow through a wire like electricity
either. This idea of opposing north and south pole magnetic units flowing
through a wire might be what is really happening in an electric current.

Summary: Electromagnetic theory needs to be reduced to just magnetism. It
will always have contradictions until it is.

Electron is really a south magnetic pole unit.

Leedskalnin believed that electostatic force was really a magnetic force. He
would describe an electrostatically charged piece of rubber this way: IN
rubber the north and south pole magnetic units are not flowing like they are
in a bar iron magnet, (he said the magnetic units flowing in an iron magnet
are excess magnetic units that were added to the metal when it was
magnetized) but in rubber they are stationary and they are the north and
south pole magnetic forces that hold the rubber molecules together. This
causes many small north and south magnetic poles on the same side of the
rubber, and this is what causes the electrostatic charge. He proves this to
be a magnetic force by
attracting iron filings to an electrostatically charged rubber, and bringing
a metal bar magnet near. When the bar magnet's poles are reversed by turning
it to the other end, some of the iron filings jump off of the rubber. He
believed the first approach of the bar magnet with its stronger field,
reversed the magnetic fields of some of the iron filings and when the magnet
was turned around, the magnetic fields repelled each other. He believed it
was magnetic and not electrostatic.

He also detected South pole magnetic units flowing upward and North pole
magnetic units flowing downward in the northern hemisphere, by hanging a
long magnet in the middle and the south pole end would always hang down. To
make it level, the south pole end needed to be longer. -- magnetic
declination of compass needles.

Scientists cannot explain how Leedskalnin built coral castle. It was
featured on IN Search of with Leonard Nimoy. He moved coral stones weighing
as much as 28 tons with equipment designed to only lift 10 tons, and only
lift it, not move it. People spying on him with binoculars signed sworn
affidavits that they saw coral stones weighing tons, floating in the air
like helium balloons.

My best guess is: He put a strong negative electric charge on them, (at
night to avoid the photo electric effect) and the Earth's magnetic field
pushed up on them and they floated.

According to him, a strong negative charge is really filling it with south
magnetic pole units and the whole stone becomes a south magnetic monopole.

I experimented and made a cement brick weighing 15 pounds, to weigh 13
pounds. Did it twice and never tried it again.

Here:
Cement brick weighing 15 pounds on bathroom scale. Check bathroom scale to
see that it will weigh the same if taken off and put back on the scale.
Car battery charger rated at 20 amps.
Experiment must be done on a dark night, to avoid the photoelectric effect
of light knocking the electrons (south pole magnets as E. L calls them) off
of the cement. I did it on a cold night. The colder temperature might help
keep resistance lower. I used a flashlight; don't point it at the brick. Use
it to see the scale reading. [Leedskalnin did his work at night.]
Experiment done on cement pavement in my back yard.
+ terminal connected to a large metal T shaped pole stuck in the concrete
pavement. (I reasoned that I should channel away plus charge to allow a good
amount of negative charge to get on the brick; so I connected to the pole.
Cement brick is sitting on the scale. Soak the cement brick and cement
pavement (between brick and pole and under scale) with water to help
conductivity of the current.
The negative terminal is connected to the brick on the scale. Battery
charger has clamps. Run the charger for 6 or 7 minutes or longer or shorter
vary it to get results. Run the charger at the highest power it will go if
you have power settings.
This is the important part. How you break the connection. The current is
going from the plus terminal down the pole through cement pavement up
through scale and through brick to the negative clamp that is on the brick.
Break the connection by taking the cement brick off the scale. Turn off
current and take off clamp from brick. Put brick back on scale. Check the
weight and see if it decreased any.
I did this 6 years ago and am telling you this from memory.
You might vary this a little. I may be forgetting some minute details.
Maybe I held the brick as I turned off the current or maybe I put it down in
some dry place and then picked it up to put on the scale. Maybe I kept
holding it and put it right back on the scale without putting it down
first. - don't remember. Play around with it and do it slightly different
ways, and check the weight when you put it back on the scale. If there is a
slight 2 lb lessening in weight. Take brick off scale. Put it down. Pick it
up a little while later and put in on scale again. See if weight went back
up to the original amount.
I have this written down somewhere, but I am writing this from memory. Play
around with it and see if you get the lessening in weight.
I did it twice and got the same 2 lb lessening in weight.
Checked the scale to see if it was faulty. The scale wasn't faulty. It gave
an accurate repeatable reading.

This experiment by Leedskalnin proves that magnetic monopoles do exist:

Mineral, Vegetable and Animal Life, Copyright October 1945 By Edward
Leedskalnin Quote:
"The North pole magnets come out of the battery's positive terminal and
South pole magnets come out of car battery's negative terminal. To be sure
it is so, you get two pieces of soft steel welding rod four inches long, put
them in clips and connect them with the car battery. Put those two loose rod
ends together until the rod gets hot. Now test each of those rod ends you
were putting together with a small needle-like horizontally hanging magnet.
Then you will see the one which is connected with positive terminal is North
pole magnet, and the one which is connected with negative terminal is South
pole magnet (Like poles repulses, and unlike poles attract). You can change
the rod peices, but every time the one is connected with positive terminal
will be North pole magnet, and the one connected with negative terminal will
be South pole magnet".

Modern physics about magnetism and electricity would say that those welding
rods, after being disconnected, should not turn a compass needle.
Leedskalnin shows that they do and each of them is a monopole.
That experiment shows that modern physics is wrong to think that there is no
such thing as a magnetic monopole.

That false assumption by science is what led to the invention of the
electron. If there are no magnetic monopoles, then what is coming off the
cathode in a cathode ray cannot be magnetic. So, J J thompson invented the
electron to explain it. He should not have. Leedskalnin proves that
monopoles exist with that experiment and what is coming off the cathode can
be magnetic.
Leedskanlnin's experiments showed that it is all magnetic, even what is
flowing through the wire. He said, It is all magnetic, so where do these
mysterious electron's come from?


Electrons do exist, but they are really south magnetic pole units. [Smallest
unit of south magnetic magnetism.]
Leedskalnin would call an electron a south pole magnet.

So what would be a proton. Maybe a neutron with a north pole magnet stuck to
it?

What would be a photon? Maybe a north and south pole magnet orbiting each
other and the wave effect of light is the same wave effect in the
particle/wave duality of small particles in quantum mechanics. The faster
they orbit, the higher the energy (more mass) and shorter wavelength of the
particle wave.-- This is all speculation, trying to match Leedskalnin's
ideas to other parts of electro/magnetism.

Atomic model. Nucleus is north pole magnets and neutrons with south pole
magnets orbiting. -- maybe!

Getting it right is important. It can lead to a new understanding, new
experiments and new ways to use it.

Leedskalnin apparently floated heavy coral stones on the earth's magnetic
field because he understood it a different way.
Note: Coral stone is full of cavities and maybe this will allow it to
collect a higher charge.

Give Leedskalnin a nobel prize posthumously.
Leedskalnin had a 4th grade formal education and weighed about 97 lbs. His
experiments are detailed, and repeatable, and reasonable. Science rejected
his views. -- Who would listen to him if he said his experiments show J J
Thompson to be wrong? [He mentioned that Thompson is wrong.]
I'm glad he put Coral Castle there in Florida. It seems like he was going to
show them that he was right by giving them a problem they can't figure out.
Sort of like getting revenge on the scientific community for rejecting him.
He taught himself about magnets and electricity. Read up on it and built his
own generator.



__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - [Only registered users see links. ]
<><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><>

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-17-2006, 03:35 AM
N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default What electricity is really made of

Dear stone:

"stone" <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered users see links. ]...

Magnetism is just electric charge and relativistic length
contraction. There are no little "north poles" and "south poles"
floating out from battery posts.

David A. Smith


Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-17-2006, 05:52 AM
hob
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default What electricity is really made of


"stone" <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message
news:[Only registered users see links. ]...
experiments

circular arguments all


electric
south
in
and
the
out
and
straight
put
rod
magnet.
North
South
change
will
twist.
positive
He
are
magnet
to
bringing
turning
magnet
To
weighing
off
Use
good
shorter
brick.
in
a
it
Play
gave
put
rod
magnet.
North
South
change
will
welding
no
can
[Smallest
to
the
to
out.
him.
his
__________________________________________________ __________________________
___
[Only registered users see links. ]
<><><><><><><><>


Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-17-2006, 11:37 AM
The TimeLord
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default What electricity is really made of

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 02:41:25 +0000, "stone" <[Only registered users see links. ]>
wrote in <[Only registered users see links. ]>:


In other words, he starts by assuming that there are magnetic
monopoles, ie north and south. However, this violates the second
of Maxwell's laws, backed up by experiments, that Div[B] = 0, ie
there are no magnetic monopoles.

Since he starts by assuming something that is false, his theory is
already in jeopardy.

[...]

If some of the monopoles flow from the air, how come the air isn't
magnetized? Isn't magnetism conserved the way charge is?


This would indicate that he considers magnetism as identically
the same as charge, which we know is false by Faraday's Law and
the experimental results on which Faraday's Law is based.


Oh geesh!! What a moron!!! Didn't he realize that the Earth has
a magnetic field?? This is a 3rd grade experiment to show how
soft steel or iron can acquire the Earth's magnetism after it
has been heated. What happened? Did the magnanimous designer of
the Coral Castle flunk out of 2nd grade? Oh I forgot, he was in
Florida: the shining example of education, where algebra, science
and logic are replaced by sex, drugs and guns.

[...]

Obviously he did a "Hubble Telescope" with his rods.

[...]

However, the lack of electrons are called "holes" which *can* flow.
Anyway, none of that really matters, since the conventional direction
of flow was developed by Benjamin Franklin just to make sense of
electricity. If you take the opposite direction, ie flowing with the
electrons, then you just change the sign in the current, but the
equations (the part that counts) stays the same.


So why *does* negative charge flow throught a wire as shown by
Thompson's experiments and Milikan's experiments?


No. Remember Div[B]=0 by experiment. So there are no magnetic
monopoles after all.


What contradictions? The only contradictions I see are those
in Mr Leedskalnin's theory.


Impossible. Radiated power is S=1/mu_0*Cross[E,B]. If an electron
were a south magnetic pole unit, then a circulating electron
would have Cross[E,B]=0, which would mean that it would not
radiate, which it does. So Mr Leedskalnin is wrong.

[...]

Whoa, if there are the same number of north and south magnetic
poles together, then under Mr Leedskalnin's theory, there is no
charge, thus the existence of electrostatic charge is a contra-
diction of his theory by his theory.


Obviously he is completely oblivious to electric induction, which
is also the principle behind the capacitor. What a moron!


He is also ignorant of hysteresis. What a nincompoop! (At this
point I don't care about my spelling.)

[...]

What's to explain? Good leverage explains it all. Just because
some psycho-show doesn't believe science doesn't mean that
scientists haven't figured it out.


Yeah, the show with other features like the hunt for "big tush"
(Sasquatch) hosted by a guy that feals up whales. [smile]


Yeah, and affidavits prevent people from lying: right. [wink]


[snicker] The photo electric effect? You do realize that is the
effect where electrons are knocked off metal by photons of energy
E=hf when E is greater than the work function of the metal. So
how does the photo electric effect (for metal) relate to coral?


But Div[B]=0!


Seeing how most scales have a Gaussian distribution about the
true value with standard deviation of 10%, this means that the
difference in weight is within 95% confidence due to random
error. To make the experiment scientific, you should have
repeated it with at least 3 different scales and with no less
than 500 times on each scale to eliminate random error with
99% confidence.

[...]

The procedure had inadequate controls.


However, even perfectly functioning scales can give erroneous readings.
There is simply not enough in your procedure to convince a scientist
that known facts should be abandoned, especially given Mr Leedskalnin's
faulty claims and ignorance of basic real effects.


So why is Div[B]=0 a fact? Div[B]=0 means there are no magnetic
monopoles. As a result of this fact the speed of light is constant
in a vacuum for all observers. If monopoles existed, then Div[B]
would not equal zero and the speed of light would depend on frequency,
which it doesn't. Mr Leedskalnin's claim is not in agreement with
observed fact.

[...]

That claim is not true. Modern physics would say that the welding rods
could acquire part of the Earth's magnetic field after being dis-
connected. If you are going to criticize modern physics, then at
least get the position right. Otherwise you'll just be criticizing
your fantasy and not science.


No, it shows that Mr Leedskalnin doesn't understand basic science.


J J Thompson did not invent the electron. The electron was basically
described by ancient Greeks. The particle nature of the electron
was not understood until Milikan. All Thompson did, was establish
that the electron was charged negatively. He did do other experi-
ments to understand the nature of electricity, but they are all
consistent with science and not Mr Leedskalnin.


He proved he has no clue.


The atoms. Of electrons are magnetic monopoles, then why do atoms
exhibit Zeeman-splitting in their spectra? The proof that there
are no magnetic monopoles are endless. Remember Div[B]=0 and
the speed of light in a vacuum is *not* frequency dependent.

[...]

No. A proton is three quarks. A neutron is three quarks. A meson
is two quarks. Besides, the idea that a neutron with a north
monopole on it would give results contradictory to the Stern-
Gerlach experiment.


No. A photon is not magnetic, otherwise a light beam could be
attracted by a magnet, the way a small stream of water can be
attracted by a charged balloon.


Don't try to match Mr Leedskalnin's idea to real science. He
was an idiot.


Definitely not.


I agree. So it's important that we let Mr Leedskalnin's silly ideas
die as they should.

[...]

That explains a lot: 4th grade education. I knew preachers like
that once. They quoted things from the Bible that weren't there.
So it doesn't surprise me that Mr Leedskalnin was waaaaayyyyy off-
base.


Well, I'll mention that Mr Leedskalnin is wrong. [smile]


I went to Coral Castle once. I should have gone to Monkey Jungle.


Who says that scientists haven't figured it out? The only ones
that haven't figured it out are those that don't pay attention
to science.

[...]

--
// The TimeLord says:
// Pogo 2.0 = We have met the aliens, and they are us!

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-17-2006, 11:50 AM
The TimeLord
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default What electricity is really made of

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:46:15 -0800, "Dagelf" <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in
<1140169575.078599.295120@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>:


Yes, it's BS.


With a MasterCard - just kidding.
It has to french-kiss the light socket. [smile]

--
// The TimeLord says:
// Pogo 2.0 = We have met the aliens, and they are us!

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-17-2006, 01:07 PM
N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default What electricity is really made of

Dear Dagelf:

"Dagelf" <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message
news:1140169575.078599.295120@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Electrostatic lifters are all the rage. But are very limited in
range. If we had a higher air pressure they might go tens of
feet... Yes, it is BS.


You can place a static charge on anything. It won't stay for
very long.

David A. Smith


Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-17-2006, 09:05 PM
߃--
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default What electricity is really made of

Appendix 1 states:

"The basic principle is that an electron is to be regarded not only as a
negatively charged particle but also as a South magnetic pole"

[Only registered users see links. ]

߃--

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-18-2006, 12:34 AM
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default What electricity is really made of

Everyone here knows that electricity is made of smoke. If you let the
smoke out of an electrical device, it will stop working.

--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:[Only registered users see links. ]
------------------------------------------------------------------
When I was in high school, I remember boys and girls slept
together all the time. We called it algebra class. -- Jay Leno
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-18-2006, 12:54 AM
Spaceman
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default What electricity is really made of


"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Paul@Hovnanian.com> wrote in message
news:43F66BAB.74337FB8@Hovnanian.com...

LOL



Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-18-2006, 02:37 PM
Ali
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default What electricity is really made of

just answer this
he said monopoles are emitted from magnets
and said electrons are nothing but a monopoles
electron has a mass and need energy to be accelerated ( our science
says) so from where does a magnet provide energy to its monopole to
move from north to south (as he said monoploe is understood by us as
electron)?

so it should be massless some times and some times it become particle
as in the case of battery? we can have infinte energy by applying his
theory!
LOL
he is a confused person and mixing the ideas of fields and particles....

Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
electricity , made


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Politics And Cannibalism? Introducing The Dourties, Chelsea, Bill, Hillary, Barrack Obama, George Bush, Jr., And All Of Capital Hill! jon_johnfrancisayres@yahoo.com Microbiology Forum 0 10-06-2007 05:59 AM
Electricity Brian Physics Forum 20 05-03-2007 04:47 AM
Electricity Brian Physics Forum 0 04-29-2007 04:56 AM


All times are GMT. The time now is 06:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2005 - 2012 Molecular Station | All Rights Reserved
Page generated in 0.24475 seconds with 16 queries