Global warming

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Germany is one of the countries which has reduced its CO2 output. And that
goes on,
its not only an effect of reunification. So we are at least on the right
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I have no problem with profit. But a profit oriented infrastructure alone is
producing
pollution of the surroundings - our common atmosphere for example. And there
must be rules that the game remains a game. And the game ends, when the
personal integrity of a person is affected.

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No that is not the point. But of shure it is one mean to push development in
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Equal what persons are in the space ship - they will be poor guys. Just for
marketing a few
pictures and that you can say - we accieved our goal! Scientifically spoken:
There is
nothing which is scientifically founded to justify this nonsense. The only
reasons are
profit, profit and once again profit. My opinion.

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If you would invest these billions of dollars in your energy system on earth
you would profit more and also others would profit indirectly - my opinion.
Yes if i am a political insecurity for persons like you, fine. But then you
are also a political and even more worse oecolocical insecurity to me.


Why do you think i learned it from someone else ?

The piss is on your side, because you are not willing to reflect others
arguments. And if it is not in agreement with what you think, you make him
bad and even attack him personally.
Yeah you are a bad guy my friend but i hope an exception in america. I pray
for your soul.

Josef Matz wrote:

Your newsreader is working wrong or something, it's hard to work with.
Anyway.. I dislike the amounts of money spent on the military,
especially high-tech weaponry because it's pretty useless.

Manned space projects have a high value, just as unmanned ones can have.
Look what the Martian rovers have found, and consider how slowly they
move. They've done good, but not as good as a man could do. Consider the
difference between what was learned about the moon with unmanned and
manned missions.

The other point is that it's our money and nobody has any business
telling us what to do with it.


Well, good for Germany- but has Germany devised the new way? The way
that will drastically reduce the dependence on pertroleum. Germans
aren't stupid, not even a little bit, so why don't we hear that Germany
is not importing a tenth of the oil it did last year at this time?
Because it's difficult, just as it's difficult here.

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Consider the old Soviet Union, officially not profit driven and look at
the pollution they caused, far beyond anything the US does. China too,
even though they are, for the most part, profit driven.. massive pollution.


You'll have to take my word on this, but market pressure is the best way
to push development in the right direction. Perhaps not the "desired"
direction, but the right direction.

Consider the internet and personal computers- far more efficient for
communication than anything that's come before, produced by a free
market and defense systems in North America. No planned economy could
have produced it, countries with planned economies hate it.

So there's an example of return from private investment and military
investment.. consider the value of the internet and inexpensive
computers; distributed computing, e-mail, communications, the list is
long- and it was mostly done by Americans.


They will likely be military officers, highly intelligent and highly
educated. I'd like to see something different than a Martian meeting,
establishing a moon base would be preferable to me, but I'll take what I
can get in space exploration. The returns will be vast and unpredictable.


Why do you criticize the US for not doing what you think we should? I'm
serious, what's the reason for it?

Can you name a country that has done the world more good than the US?
Let's not argue about the harm that's been done in the name of the US,
I'm well aware of it and I wish it hadn't happened.. but has any country
done more good than the United States of America?

Of course I'm political, humans are a political species. I feel have
little ecological insecurity, I'm fairly aware of the ecological damage
occuring in the world today and I recognize some of it as very
important. I am much less concerned by the possibility of global warming
than I am by deforestation. Each of us has to pick the issues which seem
important to us, and do what we can to solve them, but expecting the US
to solve them all is a recipe for disaster.


It sounds like typical socialist tripe to me, and most socialists don't
do a lot of their own thinking.


I don't understand what you mean by "reflect others arguments", it's
apparently a thought in German that doesn't carry through to English. If
you mean "carry on a discussion", I can do that..

Perhaps I am a bad guy, I don't know.. but I feel that if you criticize
my country for not doing what you think it should then I'm welcome to
respond. We're all in this together, criticizing doesn't help much
sometimes, especially on subjective issues such as global warming.

Note the link H. Dziardziel posted in this thread- a 500MW Stirling
solar plant to be built in California, with more to come. That's another
good example of what the US is doing.

In case you missed it, here it is:

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Do some looking on the internet, you'll find that the majority of the
people working on alternative energy are Americans. You'll also find
stuff being done by English folks, Australians, South Africans, and,
yes, Germans, but notice where most of the sites you visit are from- the US.

So.. let's you and I get along, let's be constructive and notice some of
the good in the world instead of the bad. We, as a species, will
probably make it to the next level, but only with cooperation and not
depending on governments and entrenched interests to make it happen.

John

H. Dziardziel wrote:

Good stuff, I really like that system. Thanks for the link.

John

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Earth is showing many signs of worldwide climate change.Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850. so there will be a great effect of the global warming on our earth.

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