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| Dimensions can and do move. Philosophical and Physical Barriers to Moving Dimensions Many trained physicists have a knee-jerk reaction that the time dimension cannot be moving because "dimensions cannot move." First off, since the universe is expanding, space-time is also expanding, demonstrating that dimensions are moving and expanding. Secondly, general relativity demonstrates that massive objects warp space-time, meaning that as a massive object moves though space-time, it stretches space-time, showing again that space-time in one area can move, or deform, relative to space-time in another area. GR is a sound theory, backed up with multiple high-profile experiments, including the demonstration that starlight is bent by the sun and the verification that orbiting stars radiate energy in the form of gravity waves. Thus there exist neither philosophical nor physical barriers to the concept of moving dimensions, but for artificial ones within lazy minds. A curious sign of the times is that physicists will accept on blind faith the existence of ten, twenty, or thirty dimensions, dimensions that are curled up, or too small to measure, and yet they will reel in shock and horror at a perfectly obvious postulate-the fourth dimension is expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions. They are to be forgiven-it has been a long time since a simple postulate has been offered in the realm of physics, and the foreign nature of truth's simple beauty is seen as a violent affront to the String Theorist's convoluted sensibilities. Please read the original post above or at: [Only registered users see links. ] |
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| Dear greatbooksclassics: <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message news:1121866484.258087.23290@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... Every attempt I have seen to do so has resulted in your reposting the same stuff. I don't need to give you yet another excuse. What thread? Multiple posts of identical content are not "a thread". Usenet has rules. You will follow them. And thank you for not being a spambot, as Ernest Wittke has turned out to be. David A. Smith |
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| Hello David A. Smith, I wish you could offer some feedback on a physical/philosophical level. What specifically do you find lacking in Moving Dimensions Theory? The theory is beginning to win some acceptance. It may take some time, but I look forward to discussing MDT with you. What specifically do you find lacking in Moving Dimensions Theory? [Only registered users see links. ] |
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| Snip all the bs: Just exactly what constitutes ' a towering wave off the outer banks or north carolina'? BTW I'm real familar with towering waves. " And because the underlying architecture of the universe is quantized-because the fourth dimension expands at the rate of c in units of the Planck length relative to the three spatial dimensions, quantum mechanics works for the small, while general relativity works for the large. That is the way it is because that is the way it is..." For QM to work for the small and GR to work for the large there is no requirement for any dimensions to 'expand' at c. And that is the way it is. ps-I usually don't do any physics while riding towering waves. |
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| [Elliot wrote] [EL] I see that you are reluctant to redefine the word dimension, which cannot move. This means that you are contesting an arbitration similar to saying that we are wrong to arbitrate a name for an abstract concept like "Food" that represents the abstract concept of what we can eat, and that since we can eat vegetables then all food must acquire all characteristics of vegetables, but vegetables are not meat. Frequency is a derived dimension represented as [1/T] and that representation is not logically an entity that can move. You are simply mistaken because I just demonstrated to you that angular velocity cannot move even though something is rotating or oscillating. You are simply confusing the variance of the scaled quantities with the abstract concept of the scale itself, with which it is being measured. [EL] Is that your premise! Then you are wrong again. It is not "evident" that the universe is expanding because such an expansion is context sensitive. You must construct a context in which the definition of the universe is being the sum of the matter (less the space) that constitutes the observable extent of existence. Then you must tell us why that particular definition of the universe makes that universe apparently expands. The observed red-shift could be caused by several causes, one of which is to assume that the bright stars of the "outer" galaxies are all moving away from "us", which puts us at the logical centre of that matter-universe. If I place my objection by redefining the universe as all matter energy (including the space) that we observe and that we do not observe, then the space into which your universe is expanding is part of my universe that cannot expand because it is infinite and internally bounded by your universe, which is finite and unbounded. This means that you do not have a case for building a fact or a fact for building a case, but rather an assumption founded on an assumption founded on yet another assumption. This means that your fundamental premise is frail and that you should have said: "If we assumed that the observable region of the universe was moving away from earth, we can assume that all matter is diverging against the law of gravitation". "This means that a big bang happened right here where earth is and that earth is not moving but the whole universe is moving relative to earth". Then we can begin to laugh. [EL] That was a non sequitor. What you can say is that IFF we assume a 4D model in which space is a function of time, then we must introduce constant motion represented in a scalar of speed such as _c_ to define a spatial interval by the displacement made by the propagation of light within a finite interval of time. This means that light moved while our clock's arms were moving, allowing us to arbitrate a measure of the displacement relative to the motion of our clock and that of light-propagation. [EL] What a shallow inductive assertion! Are you certain that you are a Ph. D. Physics professor under Wheeler, or are you just bluffing and trolling? [EL] Your inductive method is illogical because you are overlooking facts. The gravitational effect of the sun on the hot gasses is no different than the gravitational gradient we have on earth within its atmosphere. That gravitational gradient places the particles of matter distribution over time in such a statistical manner that creates a gravitational lens. We all know the effect of a lens on a ray of light emitted by a distant star and passing by the sun's peripheral. In other words, whether your fanciful language is yours or Einstein's, it makes no difference. If you wish to call the _space_ occupied _now_ by a strip of plastic as the spacetime of that strip and you bend it, then most certainly the spacetime of that strip was bent as you have defined your words. Nevertheless, the only way you can claim that the straight strip is now bent is by comparing it to the spacetime that is not bent concurrently, which must make you think about the abstract that contains the variant as an invariant or else you have nothing for any logical comparison to take place to claim a change in states from a given state to a new state over the invariant time scale. My wild guess, is that you are a pseudoscientist and a pretender with no credentials at all. The mass media and the drums and whistles have affected your mind too badly that you are literally living a virtual reality. Wake up please. You are not a scientist. You are simply fascinated by the hoopla and propaganda that the twisted physicists love to surround themselves with. Dimensions do not move. EL |
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| [Elliot wrote] [EL] I see that you are reluctant to redefine the word dimension, which cannot move. This means that you are contesting an arbitration similar to saying that we are wrong to arbitrate a name for an abstract concept like "Food" that represents the abstract concept of what we can eat, and that since we can eat vegetables then all food must acquire all characteristics of vegetables, but vegetables are not meat. Frequency is a derived dimension represented as [1/T] and that representation is not logically an entity that can move. You are simply mistaken because I just demonstrated to you that angular velocity cannot move even though something is rotating or oscillating. You are simply confusing the variance of the scaled quantities with the abstract concept of the scale itself, with which it is being measured. [EL] Is that your premise! Then you are wrong again. It is not "evident" that the universe is expanding because such an expansion is context sensitive. You must construct a context in which the definition of the universe is being the sum of the matter (less the space) that constitutes the observable extent of existence. Then you must tell us why that particular definition of the universe makes that universe apparently expands. The observed red-shift could be caused by several causes, one of which is to assume that the bright stars of the "outer" galaxies are all moving away from "us", which puts us at the logical centre of that matter-universe. If I place my objection by redefining the universe as all matter energy (including the space) that we observe and that we do not observe, then the space into which your universe is expanding is part of my universe that cannot expand because it is infinite and internally bounded by your universe, which is finite and unbounded. This means that you do not have a case for building a fact or a fact for building a case, but rather an assumption founded on an assumption founded on yet another assumption. This means that your fundamental premise is frail and that you should have said: "If we assumed that the observable region of the universe was moving away from earth, we can assume that all matter is diverging against the law of gravitation". "This means that a big bang happened right here where earth is and that earth is not moving but the whole universe is moving relative to earth". Then we can begin to laugh. [EL] That was a non sequitor. What you can say is that IFF we assume a 4D model in which space is a function of time, then we must introduce constant motion represented in a scalar of speed such as _c_ to define a spatial interval by the displacement made by the propagation of light within a finite interval of time. This means that light moved while our clock's arms were moving, allowing us to arbitrate a measure of the displacement relative to the motion of our clock and that of light-propagation. [EL] What a shallow inductive assertion! Are you certain that you are a Ph. D. Physics professor under Wheeler, or are you just bluffing and trolling? [EL] Your inductive method is illogical because you are overlooking facts. The gravitational effect of the sun on the hot gasses is no different than the gravitational gradient we have on earth within its atmosphere. That gravitational gradient places the particles of matter distribution over time in such a statistical manner that creates a gravitational lens. We all know the effect of a lens on a ray of light emitted by a distant star and passing by the sun's peripheral. In other words, whether your fanciful language is yours or Einstein's, it makes no difference. If you wish to call the _space_ occupied _now_ by a strip of plastic as the spacetime of that strip and you bend it, then most certainly the spacetime of that strip was bent as you have defined your words. Nevertheless, the only way you can claim that the straight strip is now bent is by comparing it to the spacetime that is not bent concurrently, which must make you think about the abstract that contains the variant as an invariant or else you have nothing for any logical comparison to take place to claim a change in states from a given state to a new state over the invariant time scale. My wild guess, is that you are a pseudoscientist and a pretender with no credentials at all. The mass media and the drums and whistles have affected your mind too badly that you are literally living a virtual reality. Wake up please. You are not a scientist. You are simply fascinated by the hoopla and propaganda that the twisted physicists love to surround themselves with. Dimensions do not move. EL |
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| That is the way it is! Should New Ideas be Allowed in Contemporary Physics? All of physic's greatest hits are contained in simple postulates, laws, and equations that have stood the test of time and provided a lever by which we could disturb the universe. For this reason, I am advocating a return to physics that is expressed in simple postulates, laws, and equations that can be discussed and tested by experiment. Postmodern theories such as string theory are dangerous to physics and physicists alike. Like Narcissus, who fell in the water while staring at his own reflection, it seems many String Theorists have fallen into a world of reflection, where they're not looking at physical reality, but only themselves. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been poured into String Theory, and yet not one postulate, nor law, nor proof, nor success. But the purpose of this paper is not to criticize string theory, but to light the way to a new day with a simple postulate: the fourth dimension is expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions. After Einstein published his two postulates of special relativity and his foundational paper on quantum mechanics, it was yet many years, and tens of thousands of man hours, before a nobler physics bore itself out-the realm of physics that is now known as relativity, that has stood the tests of time and continues to inspire young physicists. And so it is that today, Quantum Mechanics and Relativity, which came out of either side of Einstein's mind, are yet the towering beacons that inspire young physicists. When one wants to see further, one climbs on top of the shoulders of giants-Newton, Bohr, Einstein, Dirac, Shrodinger, and Wheeler. And it was from such a vantage point that I saw Moving Dimensions Theory. Contemporary physics, like much of academia, is cluttered with political factions, charlatans, hypesters, and fund-raisers. Such a system is self-reinforcing, and as time goes on, truth means less and less, as politics, hype, and blind-faith land the postdocs, government grants, and tenure. Young physicists are bullied by pomo-hipster "the truth does not exist" String Theorists who tell questioning young physicists that they cannot question. When the young physicists continue to question undeterred, the tenured string theorist waves her hands and makes it personal, projecting their infinite shortcomings, telling the young physicists that simply cannot comprehend the beauty of the ten, eleven, twenty-two, or thirty dimensions. But there are changes afoot, and prominent physicists-Nobel Prize winners and true leaders-are stepping forth to criticize string theory: "If Einstein were alive today, he would be horrified at this state of affairs. He would upbraid the profession for allowing this mess to develop and fly into a blind rage over the transformation of his beautiful creations into ideologies and the resulting proliferation of logical inconsistencies. Einstein was an artist and a scholar but above all he was a revolutionary. His approach to physics might be summarized as hypothesizing minimally. Never arguing with experiment, demanding total logical consistency, and mistrusting unsubstantiated beliefs. The unsubstantial belief of his day was ether, or more precisely the naïve version of ether that preceded relativity. The unsubstantiated belief of our day is relativity itself. It would be perfectly in character for him to reexamine the facts, toss them over in his mind, and conclude that his beloved principle of relativity was not fundamental at all but emergent-a collective property of the matter constituting space-time that becomes increasingly exact at long length scales but fails at short ones. This is a different idea from his original one but something fully compatible with it logically, and even more exciting and potentially important. It would mean that the fabric of space-time was not simply the stage on which life played out but an organizational phenomenon, and that there might be something beyond." -A Different Universe, Reinventing Physics From The Bottom Down, Robert B. Laughlin, Winner of the Nobel Prize in physics for his work on the fractional quantum Hall effect. "Despite its having become embedded in the discipline, the idea of absolute symmetry makes no sense. Symmetries are cause by things, not he cause of things. If relativity is always true, then there has to be an underlying reason. Attempts to evade this problem inevitably result in contradictions. Thus if we try to write down relativistic equations describing the spectroscopy of a vacuum, we discover that the equations are mathematical nonsense unless either relativity or guage invariance, an equally important symmetry, is postulated to fail at extremely short distances. No workable fix to this problem has ever been discovered. String theory, originally invented for this purpose, has not succeeded. In addition to its legendary appetite for higher dimensions, it also has problems at short length scales, albeit more subtle ones, and has never been shown to evolve into the standard model at long length scales, as required for compatibility with experiment." -A Different Universe, Reinventing Physics From The Bottom Down, Robert B. Laughlin, Winner of the Nobel Prize in physics for his work on the fractional quantum Hall effect "Thus the innocent observation that the vacuum of space is empty is not innocent at all, but is instead compelling evidence that light and gravity are linked and probably both collective in nature. Real light, like real quantum-mechanical sound, differs from its idealized Newtonian counterpart in containing energy even when it is stone cold. According to the principle of relativity, this energy should have generated mass, and this, in turn, should have generated gravity. We have no idea why it does not, so we deal with the problem the way the government might, namely by simply declaring empty space not to gravitate. In chutzpah, this ranks with the famous case of the Indiana state legislature passing a law declaring Pi to have the value three. It also demonstrates the severity of the problem, for one does not resort to such desperate measures when there are reasonable alternatives. The desire to explain away the gravity paradox microscopically is also the motivation for the invention of supersymmetry, a mathematical construction that assigns a special complementary partner to every known elementary particle. Were a superpartner ever discovered in nature, the hope for a reductionist explanation for the emptiness of space might be rekindled, but this has not happened, at least not yet." "[String Theory] has no practical utility, however, other than to sustain the myth of the ultimate theory. There is no experimental evidence for the existence of strings in nature, nor does the special mathematics of string theory enable known experimental behavior to be calculated or predicted more easily. Moreover, the complex spectroscopic properties of space accessible with today's mighty accelerators are accountable in only as "low-energy phenomenology"-a pejorative term for transcendent emergent properties of matter impossible to calculate from first principles. String theory is, in fact, a textbook case of Deceitful Turkey, a beautiful set of ideas that will always remain just barely out of reach. Far from a wonderful technological hope for a greater tomorrow, it is instead the tragic consequence of an obsolete belief system-in which emergence plays no role and dark law does not exist." -A Different Universe, Reinventing Physics From The Bottom Down, Robert B. Laughlin, Winner of the Nobel Prize in physics for his work on the fractional quantum Hall effect. "The master antitheory of the age is the idea that there is no fundamental thing left to discover, so that the world we inhabit is simply a swarm of detail that belongs to no one and thus can be legitimately handled by business tactics-resource management, competitive advertising, survival of the fittest, and so forth. A corollary is that there is no absolute truth, but only products, like shirts or hamburgers, that one throws away when their usefulness is exhausted. Antitheories are dangerous ideologies not only because they impede inquiry but because they lull one into ignoring threats that one's opponents can exploit to their advantage." -A Different Universe, Reinventing Physics From The Bottom Down, Robert B. Laughlin, Winner of the Nobel Prize in physics for his work on the fractional quantum Hall effect. [Only registered users see links. ] |
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| EL wrote: Did you understand? |
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| You never answered my question about the 'outer banks of north carolina' and you didn't answer odin's question: "Can you set up an experiment to test this idea?" The results to the experiments mentioned can be explained with existing theoretal models without postulating that dimensions move. I find it hard to believe that you studied under John Wheeler and don't understand what constitutes a dimension in physics . |
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