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| I'm writing an eBook for computer graphics image workers and wanted to mention atmospheric effects in a section on lighting simulation. To my suprise, i couldn't find a clear explanation of sunrise/sunset sky and sun color with Google! Please correct/add to my current weak understanding: Paraphrasing what i've found so far: Blue sky: The noonday clear sky is blue because of so called "Raleigh Scattering". Raleigh Scattering describes how the shorter wavelengths of visible light (blue end of the visible spectrum) are scattered much more than other visible light, because they approach the size of air molecules. Since these light frequencies are scattered in every direction, they illuminate the sky with blue light. Q1: Without Raleigh Scattering would the noonday clear sky be white? Q2: What is it in the sky that is "illuminated" by the scattered light. Is it not more correct to say that the air molecules re-radiate blue to our eyes? Red sunset/sunrise: Best explanation i found was a poor one in a High School text (included photo of a pretty sunset. Caption: "See how science is better than drugs?") Paraphrasing what i've found so far: Again, it's Raleigh Scattering. At sunrise and sunset, the path of sunlight to the observer is much longer. (so far so good). Then they say the light is redder at sunset (no explanation) and then that sunlight is again scattered by air molecules, as well as other particles, such as air pollutants. (Very good. Sunsets are red because the light is red at sunset). Q1: What is it about the longer pathlength that makes sunlight redder? Q2: If the shorter noonday path scatters mostly blue (shorter wavelength), i can imagine that a long enough column of atmosphere might also scatter longer wavelengths, but what happened to the blue?. Why no blue in sunset? I would expect scattered blue and scattered red to color the sky violet, or if all wavelengths are now scattered, to make white again. Q3: Is refraction now involved? How? Q4: Since at sunset/sunrise the sunlight path nears the ground, i can imagine that dust particles, atmospheric haze, smog and other particulates play their part. If so how do they account for more red? And what happened to the blue? Why isn't Raleigh Scattering still producing blue? Thanks all! |
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| "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <N: dlzc1 D:cox T:net@nospam.com> wrote in news:UDVfe.4436$eU.3690@fed1read07: Thanks David - got it now. Very clear explanations. Funny - the misspelling is so common that i got so many hits i thought it the correct spelling. Might have something to do with the low quality of what i found )<jc snip> |
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| N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message <UDVfe.4436$eU.3690@fed1read07>: The light is reflected rather than re-radiated. The reflected light retains its original colour (blue), re-radiated light would potentially have a totally different spectrum. The same mechanism accounts for blue eyes appearing blue. The iris is actually unpigmented but is rather cloudy, with an intensely dark layer behind it. The setup is exactly the same as with the sky, and the blue arises by the same mechanism. But those same blue eyes appear *red* for the same reason as the setting sun appears red, when viewed by transmitted light, the familiar example being a flash photograph. The blue component of the flashlight is scattered away and the red is reflected back to the camera. (I write from experience. "Prai Jei" means "blue eyes".) -- A couple of questions. How do I stop the wires short-circuiting, and what's this nylon washer for? Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply |
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