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Old 12-28-2004, 07:45 AM
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(If anyone is reading this. Pls. read the message "Mechanism
for sensing Wave Function" first for continuity of thoughts.)


What sort of reality lies behind the Wave Function? It
may be totally unlike anything we have encountered. The
following is speculating it and especially what we qi
healers (or wave function therapist) may be doing.

Hidden-Variable model says that each electron is
guided by a superluminal pilot wave. This simply stretches
the imagination as it is hard to think every electron has
corresponding pilot wave. But Bell Theorem says it is
not impossible. Furthermore, it is superluminal.

This message assumes that in qi healing we are indeed
doing some kind of wave function therapy. I want to stretch
conventional physics looking for explanation and will stand
corrected if illogic arises but in the realm of wave
function. How do you tell logic from illogic since it
boggles the mind. In the message "Mechanism for sensing
Wave Function". I explained the possible mechanism for
sensing Wave functions and how it may be theoretically
possible. I've been trying to understand it for years.

Well. The more I understand it. The more I'll practice sensing
again. I haven't done it in many years because when your nerves
are so sensitive, you can easily become overwhelmed by anything
such as emotions or noise. Some qi healers feel so uncomfortable
all the time because of their increase nervous sensitivities.
The reason I want to understand the physics of it all is so that
one can just use machine to heal instead the human. Because a
human healing is like putting your hands directly to the dirt on
the floor and sweeping it. One can use vacuum, etc. Likewise I
want to use machines.

What are we exactly doing with the wave functions of another
persons body. It may have to do with wave patterns. There are
zillions and zillions of electron pilot waves. We are not
manipulating each of them. It's just that when disease occurs,
non-local patterns (or sorta) of the wave function disease parts
gets wider affecting neighboring tissues thru the wave function by
induction (in wave function sense). What we do is putting the
pattern back to its original (by default) by removing the
foreign patterns in the wave functions. The analogy is like
removing a clog artery such that the blood flow can go on
smooth. What we are doing may be in rough terms because if
technology permits. Wave function engineering may even cure
cancer which qi healing couldn't do.

Of course healing the physical part will do it as well. The
treatment of the wave function part is just complimentary
(in our rough case) because sometimes the physical healing
is slow due to the congested wave functions.

One may say I'm treating the wave functions like convensional
energy. We know it belongs to a world in itself and has
different rules. The pattern thing is just an analogy for sake
of illustrations.

BTW, when you will challenge James Randi. He can't use the test
wherein you are covered from them and you put your palm out and
try to sense whether Randi is putting his hands out in front..
because even if his hands are down or not there. You can still
feel it... precisely because you are measuring his wave
functions which you can access thru the wave functions of your
palm with electrons behavior being affected resulting in your
feeling it.... just like the atomic quantum clouds intermingling
where they can still feel the quantum clouds via charges,
bonding even if the electrons are not stationary just like
taught in high school and even college. Speaking of school, no
wonder you know now why you can't describe them the real thing
happening because if physicists (Copenhagen) find it hard to
believe sensing of wave functions of another person via non-local
Bell superluminal based mechanism and quantum cloud
intermingling. How else do you explain it to students or kids.

BTW... If I'm mistaken in my electron clouds knowledge. I stand
corrected because even in my college I never heard of quantum
clouds but just orbiting electron and that's in the best
university in the country.

Lest Uncle Al came charging up with "crap". Let me say all the
above is just hypothesis. I'm trying to organize myself.. to
understand it better and explaning it in the most lucid
terms that is compatible with what I experienced and in quantum
physics and I'm interesting in finding fatal flaw to what I
said. This is my last grip on convensional physics before going
to other far out models to explain what I experienced.
Regards,

James Lee
Wave Function Therapy Institute
Manila

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Old 12-28-2004, 06:45 PM
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Consc wrote:
[snip cap]

Trolling idiot. Unplug your computer and run it on qi.

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Old 12-28-2004, 08:37 PM
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Uncle Al wrote:

Hey. That's brilliant. Run my computer on qi. Qi is
everywhere. If qi is some aspect of zero point
energy. Then I can run my computer on unlimited energy
source meaning I don't have to pay electric bills and
I can write end messages. Bohm mentions about subquantum
reality beneath the quantum.

Show why Copenhagen is right and Bohm is wrong. I'm
showing Bohm is right. If you can show Copenhagen is
right and the wave function is really nothing. Then
I'd shut up and explore other theories that can
explained what I experienced.. maybe Thomson stuff
or other TOE to find a clue of what is reality.

Come on. Reply by using sheer scientific arguments and
I'd listen and shut up if I found the flaw in Bohm
stuff.


James

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Old 12-28-2004, 11:22 PM
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"Consc" <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message
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<snip>


Show me that the difference leads to a *measurable* difference in an
experiment, and we can let the Universe decide which is right and which is
wrong.

Asd far as I have seen, there is no difference in the Copenhagen math and
the Bohm math. They both predict exactly the same observations, and both
are *consistent* with observations.

Any preference someone may have for one over the other is purely a personal
choice based in non-observational (aesthetic) criteria.

Whatever fluffs your petticoat.


Do you really believe you could recognize a flaw in Bohm now that you have
invested you ego in it? I don't. I believe you are now biased and therefore
incompetent to pass judgments.


Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA


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Old 12-29-2004, 01:00 AM
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tadchem wrote:
which is

The missing factor is the mind. Somehow our mind is
interactive with every level of nature as if nature
is composed of mindstuff. Like reality is one big
mind. I'm not talking philosophically but as in
literally like I can project myself to your room
and if you are sensitive, you can see outline of
my face in your room. Clairvoyants I know can do
this. In the above where you said difference can
lead to measurable difference in the experiment.
Yes, the mind can influence the experiment. The
key is understanding what sort of energy the mind
uses that can influence the experiments like in
the china experiment in:

Of course it needs to be replicated but how one
you guys replicate it when you don't even consider
its possibility.

and
both

Except when the mind becomes involved. There is
no mathematics that has possibility of mind
interfacing with the object, etc. Since scientists
use mathematics with objects and energy that doesn't
use the mind factor. Then the results produced
won't have the mind equation in it like how mind
can influence it thru unknown mechanism. Once they
develope the mathematics that use the mind factor.
Then that's when they can see the difference. Of
course, only future science can develope the math
of the subtle more complex than involving physical
system.

have
therefore

Bohm belief is that there is deeper reality than the
quantum. He calls this deeper reality implicate
order and our level of existence as explicate, or
unfolded order. Bohm believes there is countless
enfoldings and unfoldings between these two orders
in the manifestation of all forms in the universe.
What I want to know is if there is a flaw in this
thinking.

I deal with reality. I deal with qi, clairvoyants,
telepaths, etc. If the mechanism is not in the
subquantum, which Bohm describes as those that
existed beneath the quantum or wave functions. Then
there may be altogether other mechanisms at place.
If Copenhagen is right that the it ends there at
the quantum and no subquantum... meaning the wave
function is not a mathematical tool and nothing
more than that. Then there may be other mechanisms
at play that may involve the whole atoms that don't
electromagnetic field, mass, etc. It is here that
Thomson Aether Physics come into play. In Thomson
stuff. He attempts to described what give all the
forces and matter their identities with complete
mathematics. He shows that mass is just angular
momemtum caused by the Aether, etc. He doesn't
even believe there is particles or waves but that
all matter is some aggregation of angular momentum.

You see. His mechanism doesn't use the quantum, so
if Bohm is wrong, there is no subquantum because
the whole Aether is the origin of fields and forces
and stuff. And I can start looking the clue here
rather than exploring the subquantum since reality
may made algother of different structure. You see.
I'd rather Bohm is not right... because exploring
other avenues can not only explain what is qi, but
also unify the 4 fundamantal forces as what Thomson
claimed he has done.

I don't fully understand Aether physics of course.
And only full scientific scrutiny can find its flaws
so I'm looking forwards to the scrutiny when his
work becomes more popularly known. I also look
forward to how he can answer all questions by anyone.

The TOE can of anyone can only be right if it can
explain all that I experienced too. Some of which
can make x-men like kid stuff.

Regards,

James

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Old 12-29-2004, 12:13 PM
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Consc wrote:

<snip>

an

And how does one measure "mind"? Whatever definition you choose is OK,
as long as you share it with us and it allows us to recognize "mind"
when we go looking for it ourselves.

For that matter, how does one measure the difference that "mind" makes
in QM la Bohm verse QM Copenhagen-style?


Is *that* what I stepped on in my front yard this morning? Your
"mindstuff"?


Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

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Old 01-03-2005, 04:17 AM
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tadchem wrote:
which is

The missing factor is the mind. Somehow our mind is
interactive with every level of nature as if nature
is composed of mindstuff. Like reality is one big
mind. I'm not talking philosophically but as in
literally like I can project myself to your room
and if you are sensitive, you can see outline of
my face in your room. Clairvoyants I know can do
this. In the above where you said difference can
lead to measurable difference in the experiment.
Yes, the mind can influence the experiment. The
key is understanding what sort of energy the mind
uses that can influence the experiments like in
the china experiment in:

Of course it needs to be replicated but how one
you guys replicate it when you don't even consider
its possibility.

and
both

Except when the mind becomes involved. There is
no mathematics that has possibility of mind
interfacing with the object, etc. Since scientists
use mathematics with objects and energy that doesn't
use the mind factor. Then the results produced
won't have the mind equation in it like how mind
can influence it thru unknown mechanism. Once they
develope the mathematics that use the mind factor.
Then that's when they can see the difference. Of
course, only future science can develope the math
of the subtle more complex than involving physical
system.

have
therefore

Bohm belief is that there is deeper reality than the
quantum. He calls this deeper reality implicate
order and our level of existence as explicate, or
unfolded order. Bohm believes there is countless
enfoldings and unfoldings between these two orders
in the manifestation of all forms in the universe.
What I want to know is if there is a flaw in this
thinking.

I deal with reality. I deal with qi, clairvoyants,
telepaths, etc. If the mechanism is not in the
subquantum, which Bohm describes as those that
existed beneath the quantum or wave functions. Then
there may be altogether other mechanisms at place.
If Copenhagen is right that the it ends there at
the quantum and no subquantum... meaning the wave
function is not a mathematical tool and nothing
more than that. Then there may be other mechanisms
at play that may involve the whole atoms that don't
electromagnetic field, mass, etc. It is here that
Thomson Aether Physics come into play. In Thomson
stuff. He attempts to described what give all the
forces and matter their identities with complete
mathematics. He shows that mass is just angular
momemtum caused by the Aether, etc. He doesn't
even believe there is particles or waves but that
all matter is some aggregation of angular momentum.

You see. His mechanism doesn't use the quantum, so
if Bohm is wrong, there is no subquantum because
the whole Aether is the origin of fields and forces
and stuff. And I can start looking the clue here
rather than exploring the subquantum since reality
may made algother of different structure. You see.
I'd rather Bohm is not right... because exploring
other avenues can not only explain what is qi, but
also unify the 4 fundamantal forces as what Thomson
claimed he has done.

I don't fully understand Aether physics of course.
And only full scientific scrutiny can find its flaws
so I'm looking forwards to the scrutiny when his
work becomes more popularly known. I also look
forward to how he can answer all questions by anyone.

The TOE can of anyone can only be right if it can
explain all that I experienced too. Some of which
can make x-men like kid stuff.

Regards,

James

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