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Old 11-12-2003, 03:49 PM
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Default Seeing Holographically

This is an old message I posted in the new.theories group but since
Bjoern keeps inquiring about it. Let me post it again. Say, for those
who have seen the movie Matrix Revolutions. Clairvoyancy is like Neo
able to see the world in energy when he was blindfolded. That's what
claivoyants I've associated can see. Although the energy matrix you
can see in the surrounding is not as bright as in the movie and
when you are new at it. You can't judge depth very well because
you are not using your physical eyes and retina but using your pineal
and chakra to "see" (or detecting energy signature). I'd share Bjoern
how to develope it too tomorrow. All Pranic healing branch teach it
too and so many in the world are now clairvoyants themselves. It's easy
to develope it. More later)

Michael's Talbot "The Holographic Universe" on "Seeing Holographically"

* Seeing Holographically
* The Energy Field of the Human Psyche
* Doctors Who See the Human Energy Field
* Chaos Holographic Patterns
* What is the Human Energy Field Made Of
* Three-Dimensional Images of the Aura
* Movies in the Aura
* Holographic Body Assessment
* X-ray Vision
* Internal Vision and Shamanism
* The Energy Field as Cosmic Blueprint
* A Participatory Reality
* Mind and the Human Energy Field

(Cinquirer note: I wonder if "Holovision" is a good term
for the very old "etheric vision" and "clairvoyancy". Anyone
can suggest a better modern term? I found the following
in my text archives and it can put many things we discuss
in perspective. Since they were written a decade ago. Some
facts may need updating or correction so if you know of any
just mention about it).

Michael's Talbot "The Holographic Universe" on "Seeing Holographically"

"We human beings consider ourselves to be made up of "solid matter."
Actually, the physical body is the end product, so to speak, of the
subtle information fields, which mold our physical body as well as all
physical matter. These fields are holograms which change in time (and
are) outside the reach of our normal senses. This is what clairvoyants
perceive as colorful eggshaped halos or auras surrounding our physical
bodies." -Itzhak Bentov "Stalking the Wild Pendulum"

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Neurophysiologists have long been aware of this fact. In his early
studies of vision, Pribram discovered that the visual information a
monkey receives via its optic nerves does not travel directly into its
visual cortex, but is first filtered through other areas of its
brain.' Numerous studies have shown that the same is true of human
vision. Visual information entering our brains is edited and modified
by our temporal lobes before it is passed on to our visual cortices.
Some studies suggest that less than 50 percent of what we "see" is
actually based on information entering our eyes. The remaining 50
percent plus is pieced together out of our expectations of what the
world should look like (and perhaps out of other sources such as
reality fields). The eyes may be visual organs, but it is the brain
that sees.

This is why we don't always notice when a close friend shaves off his
mustache, and why our house always looks strangely different when we
return to it after a vacation. In both instances we are so used to
responding to what we think is there, we don't always see what really
is there.

Even more dramatic evidence of the role the mind plays in creating
what we see is provided by the eye's so-called blind spot. In the
middle of the retina, where the optic nerve connects to the eye, we
have a blind spot where there are no photoreceptors. This can be
quickly demonstrated with the illustration shown in figure 15.

Even when we look at the world around us we are totally unaware that
there are gaping holes in our vision. It doesn't matter whether we are
gazing at a blank piece of paper or an ornate Persian carpet. The
brain artfully fills in the gaps like a skilled tailor reweaving a
hole in a piece of fabric. What is all the more remarkable is that it
reweaves the tapestry of our visual reality so masterfully we aren't
even aware that it is doing so.

This leads to a disturbing question. If we are seeing less than half
of what is out there, what is out there that we are not seeing? What
misspelled street signs and blind spots are escaping our attention
completely? Our technological prowess provides us with a few answers.
For example, although spiderwebs look drab and white to us, we now
know that to the ultraviolet-sensitive eyes of the insects for whom
they were designed, they are actually brightly colored and hence
alluring. Our technology also tells us that fluorescent lamps do not
continuously provide light, but are actually flickering on and off at
a rate that is just a little too fast for us to discern. Yet this
unsettling strobelike effect is quite visible to honeybees, who must
be able to fly at breakneck speed over a meadow and still see every
flower that whizzes by.

But are there other important aspects of reality that we are not
seeing, aspects that are beyond even our technological grasps
According to the holographic model, the answer is yes. Remember that
in Pribram's view, reality at large is really a frequency domain, and
our brain is a kind of lens that converts these frequencies into the
objective world of appearances. Although Pribram began by studying the
frequencies of our normal sensory world, such as frequencies of sound
and light, he now uses the term fre quency domain to refer to the
interference patterns that compose the implicate order.

Pribram believes there may be all kinds of things out there in the
frequency domain that we are not seeing, things our brains have
learned to edit out regularly of our visual reality. He thinks that
when mystics have transcendental experiences, what they are really
doing is catching glimpses of the frequency domain. "Mystical
experience makes sense when one can provide the mathematical formulas
that take one back and forth between the ordinary world, or
`image-object' domain, and the `frequency' domain," he states.

The Human Energy Field

One mystical phenomenon that appears to involve the ability to see
reality's frequency aspects is the aura, or human energy field. The
notion that there is a subtle field of energy around the human body, a
halolike envelope of light that exists just beyond normal human
perception, can be found in many ancient traditions. In India, sacred
writings that date back over five thousand years refer to this life
energy as pram. In China, since the third millennium B.C., it has been
called chi and is believed to be the energy that flows through the
acupuncture meridian system. Kabbalah, a Jewish mystical philosophy
that arose in the sixth century B.C., calls this vital principle
nefish and teaches that an egg-shaped bubble of iridescence surrounds
every human body. In their book Future Science, writer John White and
parapsychologist Stanley Krippner list 97 different cultures that
refer to the aura with 97 different names.

Many cultures believe the aura of an extremely spiritual individual is
so bright it is visible even to normal human perception, which is why
so many traditions, including Christian, Chinese, Japanese, Tibetan,
and Egyptian, depict saints as having halos or other circular symbols
around their heads. In his book on miracles Thurston devotes an entire
chapter to accounts of luminous phenomena associated with Catholic
saints, and both Neumann and Sai Baba are reported to have
occasionally had visible auras of l ight around them. The great Sufi
mystic Hazrat Inayat Khan, who died in 1927, is said to have sometimes
given off so much light that people could actually read by it.

Under normal circumstances, however, the human energy field is visible
only to individuals who have a specially developed capacity to see it.
Sometimes people are born with the ability. Sometimes it develops
spontaneously at a certain point in a person's life, as it did in my
case, and sometimes it develops as the result of some practice or
discipline, often of a spiritual nature. The first time I saw the
distinctive mist of light around my arm I thought it was smoke and
jerked my arm up to see if I had som ehow caught my sleeve on fire. Of
course, I hadn't and quickly discovered that the light surrounded my
entire body and formed a nimbus around everyone else's as well.

According to some schools of thought the human energy field has a
number of distinct layers. I do not see layers in the field and have
no personal basis to judge if this is true or not. These layers are
actually said to be three-dimensional energy bodies that occupy the
same space as the physical body but are of increasingly larger size so
that they only look like layers, or strata, as they extend outward
from the body.

Many psychics assert that there are seven main layers, or subtle
bodies, each progressively less dense than the one before it, and each
increasingly more difficult to see. Different schools of thought refer
to these energy bodies by different names. One common system of
nomenclature refers to the first four as the etheric body; the astral,
or emotional body; the mental body, and the causal, or intuitive body.
It is generally believed that the etheric body, the body that is
closest in size to the physical bo dy, is a kind of energy blueprint
and is involved in guiding and shaping the growth of the physical
body. As their names suggest, the next three bodies are related to
emotional, mental, and intuitive processes. Virtually no one agrees on
what to call the remaining three bodies, although it is commonly
agreed that they have to do with the soul and higher spiritual

According to Indian yogic literature, and to many psychics as well, we
also have special energy centers in our body. These focal points of
subtle energy are connected to endocrine glands and major nerve
centers in the physical body, but also extend up and into the energy
field. Because they resemble spinning vortices of energy when they are
looked at head-on, yogic literature refers to them as chakras, from
the Sanskrit word for "wheel," and this term is still used today.

The crown chakra, an important chakra that originates in the uppermost
tip of the brain and is associated with spiritual awakening, is often
described by clairvoyants as looking like a little cyclone whirling in
the energy field on top of the head, and it is the only chakra I see
clearly. (My own abilities appear to be too rudimentary to permit me
to see the other chakras.) It ranges from a few inches to a foot or
more in height. When people are in a joyous state, this whirlwind of
energy grows taller and brighter, and when they dance, it bobs and
sways like a candle flame. I've often wondered if this was what the
apostle Luke was seeing when he described the "flame of the
Pentecost," the tongues of fire that appeared on the heads of the
apostles when the Holy Ghost descended on them.

The human energy field is not always bluish white, but can possess
various colors. According to talented psychics, these colors, their
muddiness or intensity, and their location in the aura are related to
a person's mental state, emotional state, activity, health, and
assorted other factors. I can only see colors occasionally and
sometimes can interpret their meaning, but again my abilities in this
area are not terribly advanced.

One person who does have advanced abilities is therapist and healer
Barbara Brennan. Brennan began her career as an atmospherics physicist
working for NASA at the Goddard Space Flight Center, and later left to
become a counselor. Her first inkling that she was psychic came when
she was a child and discovered she could walk blindfolded through the
woods and avoid the trees simply by sensing their energy fields with
her hands. Several years after she became a counselor, she began
seeing halos of colored light around people's heads. After overcoming
her initial shock and skepticism, she set about to develop the ability
and eventually discovered she had an extraordinary natural talent as a

Brennan not only sees the chakras, layers, and other fine structures
of the human energy field with exceptional clarity, but can make
startlingly accurate medical diagnoses based on what she sees. After
looking at one woman's energy field, Brennan told her there was
something abnormal about her uterus. The woman then told Brennan that
her doctor had discovered the same problem, and it had already caused
her to have one miscarriage. In fact, several physicians had
recommended a hysterectomy and that was why she was seeking Brennan's
counsel. Brennan told her that if she took a month off and took care
of herself, her problem would clear up. Brennan's advice turned out to
be correct, and a month later the woman's physician confirmed that her
uterus had returned to normal. A year later the woman gave birth to a
healthy baby boy.4

In another case Brennan was able to see that a man had problems
performing sexually because he had broken his coccyx (tailbone) when
he was twelve. The still out-of-place coccyx was applying undue
pressure to his spinal column, and this in turn was causing his sexual

There seems to be little Brennan cannot pick up by looking at the
human energy field. She says that in its early stages cancer looks
gray-blue in the aura, and as it progresses, it turns to black.
Eventually, white spots appear in the black, and if the white spots
sparkle and begin to look as if they are erupting from a volcano, it
means the cancer has metastasized. Drugs such as alcohol, marijuana,
and Co. came are also detrimental to the brilliant, healthy colors of
the aura and create what Brennan calls "etheric mucus." In one
instance she was able to tell a startled c lient which nostril he
habitually used to snort cocaine because the field over that side of
his face was always gray with the sticky etheric mucus.

Prescription drugs are not exempt, and often cause dark areas to form
in the energy field over the liver. Potent drugs such as chemotherapy
"clog" the entire field, and Brennan says she has even seen auric
traces of the supposedly harmless radiopaque dye used to diagnose
spinal injuries, a full ten years after it has been injected into a
person's spine. According to Brennan, a person's psychological
condition is also reflected in their energy field. An individual with
psychopathic tendencies has a top-heavy aura. The energy field of a
masochistic personality is coarse and dense and is more gray than
blue. The field of a person with a rigid approach to life is also
coarse and grayish, but with most of its energy concentrated on the
outer edge of the aura, and so on.

Brennan says that illness can actually be caused by tears, blockages,
and imbalances in the aura, and by manipulating these dysfunctional
areas with her hands and her own energy field, she can greatly enhance
a person's own healing processes. Her talents have not gone unnoticed.
Swiss psychiatrist and thanatologist Elisabeth KublerRoss says Brennan
is "probably one of the best spiritual healers in the Western
Hemisphere. 116 Bernie Siegel is equally laudatory: "Barbara Brennan's
work is mind opening. Her concepts of the role disease plays and how
healing is achieved certainly fit in with my experience."'

As a physicist, Brennan is keenly interested in describing the human
energy field in scientific terms and believes Pribram's assertion that
there is a frequency domain beyond our field of normal perception is
the best scientific model we have so far for understanding the
phenomenon. "From the point of view of the holographic universe, these
events [the aura and the healing forces required to manipulate its
energies] emerge from frequencies that transcend time and space; they
don't have to be transmitted. Th ey are potentially simultaneous and
everywhere," she says.

That the human energy field exists everywhere and is nonlocal until it
is plucked out of the frequency domain by human perception is
evidenced in Brennan's discovery that she can read a person's aura
even when the person is many miles distant. The longest-distance aura
reading she has done so far was during a telephone conversation
between New York City and Italy. She discusses this, as well as many
other aspects of her remarkable abilities, in her recent and
fascinating book Hands of Light.

The Energy Field of the Human Psyche

Another gifted psychic who can see the aura in great detail is Los
Angeles-based "human energy field consultant" Carol Dryer. Dryer says
she has been able to see auras for as long as she can remember, and
indeed it was quite some time before she realized other people
couldn't see auras. Her ignorance in this regard frequently landed her
in trouble as a child when she would tell her parents intimate details
about their friends, things she had no apparent way of knowing.

Dryer makes her living as a psychic, and in the past decade and a half
has seen over five thousand clients. She is well known in the media
because her client list includes many celebrities such as Tina Turner,
Madonna, Rosanna Arquette, Judy Collins, Valerie Harper, and Linda
Gray. But even the star power of her client list does not begin to
convey the true extent of her talent. For instance, Dryer's client
list also includes physicists, noted journalists, archaeologists,
lawyers, and politicians, and she h as used her abilities to assist
the police and frequently does consultation work for psychologists,
psychiatrists, and medical doctors.

Like Brennan, Dryer can give long-distance readings, but prefers to be
in the same room with the person. She can also see a person's energy
field as well with her eyes closed as she can with her eyes open. In
fact, she generally keeps her eyes closed during a reading to help her
concentrate solely on the energy field. This does not mean that she
sees the aura only in her mind's eye. "It's always in front of me as
if I'm looking at a movie or a play," says Dryer. "It's as real as the
room I'm sitting in. Act ually, it's more real and more brightly

However, she does not see the precise stratified layers described by
other clairvoyants, and she often doesn't even see the outline of the
physical body. "A person's physical body can come into it, but rarely
because that's seeing the etheric body rather than seeing the aura or
the energy field around them. If I'm seeing the etheric, it's usually
because it contains leaks or rips that are keeping the aura from being
whole. Thus I cannot see it completely. There are only patches of it.
It's kind of like a ripped blanket or a torn curtain. Holes in the
etheric field are usually the result of trauma, injury, illness, or
some other kind of devastating experience."

But beyond seeing the etheric, Dryer says that instead of seeing the
layers of the aura like tiers of cake piled one on top of the other,
she experiences them as changing textures and intensities of visual
sensation. She compares this to being immersed in the ocean and
feeling water of different temperatures wash by. "Rather than getting
into rigid concepts like layers, I tend to see the energy field in
terms of movements and waves of energy," she says. "It's as if my
vision is telescoping through various l evels and dimensions of the
energy field, but I don't actually see it neatly arranged in various

This does not mean that Dryer's perception of the human energy field
is in any way less detailed than Brennan's. She perceives a dazzling
amount of pattern and structure-kaleidoscopic clouds of color shot
through with light, complex images, glistening shapes, and gossamer
mists. However, not all energy fields are created equal. According to
Dryer, shallow people have shallow and humdrum auras. Conversely, the
more complex the person, the more complex and interesting their energy
field. "A person's energy fi eld is as individual as their
fingerprint. I've never really seen any two that look alike," she

Like Brennan, Dryer can diagnose illnesses by looking at a person's
aura, and when she chooses she can adjust her vision and see the
chakras. But Dryer's special skill is the ability to peer deep into a
person's psyche and give them an eerily accurate status report of the
weaknesses, strengths, needs, and general health of their emotional,
psychological, and spiritual being. So profound are her talents in
this area that some have likened a session with Dryer to six months of
psychotherapy. Numerous clients have credited her with completely
transforming their lives, and her files are filled with glowing
letters of thanks.

I, too, can attest to Dryer's abilities. In my first reading with her,
and although we were virtual strangers, she proceeded to describe
things about me that not even my closest friends know. These were not
just vague platitudes, but specific and detailed assessments of my
talents, vulnerabilities, and personality dynamics. By the end of the
two-hour session I was convinced that Dryer had not been looking at my
physical presence, but at the energy construct of my psyche itself. I
have also had the privilege of talking with and/or listening to the
session recordings of over two dozen of Dryer's clients, and have
discovered that, almost without exception, others have found her as
accurate and insightful as did I.

Doctors Who See the Human Energy Field

Although the existence of the human energy field is not recognized by
the medical orthodox community, it has not been completely ignored by
medical practitioners. One medical professional who takes the energy
field seriously is neurologist and psychiatrist Shafica Karagulla.
Karagulla received her degree of doctor of medicine and surgery from
the American University of Beirut, Lebanon, and obtained her training
in psychiatry under the well-known psychiatrist Professor Sir David K.
Henderson, at the Royal Edinburgh Hospital for Mental and Nervous
Disorders. She also spent three and a half years as a research
associate to Wilder Penfield, the Canadian neurosurgeon whose landmark
studies of memory launched both Lashley and Pribram on their quest.

Karagulla began as a skeptic, but after encountering several
individuals who could see auras, and -confirming their ability to make
accurate medical diagnoses as a result of what they saw, she became a
believer. Karagulla calls the faculty to see the human energy field
higher sense perception, or HSP, and in the 1960s she set out to
determine if any members of the medical profession also possessed the
ability. She put out various feelers among her friends and colleagues,
but at first the going was slow. Even doctors who were said to have
the ability were reluctant to meet with her. After being put off
repeatedly by one such doctor, she finally made an appointment to see
him as a patient.

She entered his office, but instead of allowing him to perform a
Physical examination to diagnose her condition, she challenged him to
use his higher sense perception. Realizing he was cornered, he gave
"All right, stay where you are," he told her. "Don't tell me any
thing." Then he scanned her body and gave her a quick run-down of. her
health, including a description of an internal condition she had
that,; would eventually require surgery, a condition she had secretly
already diagnosed. He was "correct in every detail," says Karagulla.lo

As Karagulla's network of contacts expanded, she met doctor after
doctor with similar gifts and describes these encounters in her book:,
Breakthrough to Creativity. Most of these physicians were unaware that
other individuals existed who possessed similar talents, and felt they
were alone and peculiar in this regard. Nonetheless, they invariably
described what they were seeing as an "energy field" or a "moving web
of frequency" around the body and interpenetrating the body. Some saw
chakras, but because the y were ignorant of the term, they described
them as "vortices of energy at certain points along the spine,
connected with or influencing the endocrine system." And almost
without exception they kept their abilities a secret out of fear of
damaging their professional reputations.

Out of respect for their privacy, Karagulla identifies them in her
book by first name only but says they include famous surgeons,
CornellUniversity professors of medicine, heads of departments in
large hospi tals, and Mayo Clinic physicians. "I was continually
surprised to find how many members of the medical profession had HSP
abilities," she writes. "Most of them felt a little uneasy about their
gifts, but finding them useful in diagnosis, they used them. They came
from many parts of the country, and although they were unknown to each
other, they all reported similar types of experiences." At the end of
her report, she concludes, "When many reliable individuals
independently report the same kind of phenomena, it is time science t
akes cognizance of it."11

Not all health professionals are so opposed to going public with their
abilities. One such individual is Dr. Dolores Krieger, a professor of
nursing at New York University. Krieger became interested in the human
energy field after participating in a study of the abilities of Oscar
Estebany, a well-known Hungarian healer. After discovering that
Estebany could raise the hemoglobin levels in ill patients simply by
manipulating their fields, Krieger set out to learn more about the
mysterious energies involved. She immersed herself in a study of
prang, the chakras, and the aura, an d eventually became a student of
Dora Kunz, another well-known clairvoyant. Under Kunz's guidance, she
learned how to feel blockages in the human energy field and to heal by
manipulating the field with her hands.

Realizing the enormous medical potential of Kunz's techniques, Krieger
decided to teach what she had learned to others. Because she knew
terms such as aura and chakra would have negative connotations for
many health-care professionals, she decided to call her healing method
"therapeutic touch." The first class she taught on therapeutic touch
was a master's level course for nurses at New York Lniversity entitled
"Frontiers in Nursing: The Actualization of Potential for Therapeutic
Field Interaction." Both th e course and the technique proved so
successful that Krieger has since tauht therapeutic touch to
literally thousands of nurses, and it is now used in hospitals around
the world.

The effectiveness of therapeutic touch has also been demonstrated in
several studies. For example, Dr. Janet Quinn, an associate professor
and assistant director of nursing research at the University of South
Carolina at Columbia, decided to see if therapeutic touch could lower
the anxiety levels of heart patients. To accomplish this she devised a
double-blind study in which one group of nurses trained in the
technique would pass their hands over a group of heart patients'
bodies. A second group with no tra ining would pass their hands over
the bodies of another group of heart patients, but without actually
performing the technique. Quinn found that the anxiety levels in the
authentically treated patients dropped 17 percent after only five
minutes of therapy, but there was no change in anxiety levels among
the patients who received the "fake" treatment. Quinn's study was the
lead story in the Science Times section of the March 26, 1985, issue
of the New York Times.

Another health professional who lectures widely about the human energy
field is University of Southern California heart and lung specialist
W. Brugh Joy. Joy, who is a graduate of both Johns Hopkins and the
Mayo Clinic, discovered his gift in 1972 while examining a patient in
his office. Instead of seeing the aura, Joy initially was only able to
feel its presence with his hands. "I was examining a healthy male in
his early twenties," he says. "As my hand passed over the solar plexus
area, the pit of the stomach, I sensed something that felt like a
warm cloud. It seemed to radiate out three to four feet from the body,
perpendicular to the surface and to be shaped like a cylinder about
four inches in diameter."

Joy went on to discover that all his patients had palpable
cylinderlike radiations emanating not only from their stomachs, but
from various other points on their bodies. It wasn't until he read an
ancient Hindu book about the human energy system that he found he had
discovered, or rather rediscovered, the chakras. Like Brennan, Joy
thinks the holographic model offers the best explanation for
understanding the human energy field. He also feels that the ability
to see auras is latent in all of us. "I believe that reaching expanded
states of consciousness is merely the attuning of our central nervous
system to perceptive states that have always existed in us but have
been blocked by our outer mental conditioning," says Joy.'3

To prove his point, Joy now spends most of his time teaching others
how to sense the human energy field. One of Joy's students is Michael
Crichton, the author of such bestsellers as The Andromeda Strain and
Sphere, and the director of the motion pictures Coma and The First
Great Train Robbery. In his recent bestselling autobiography Travels,
Crichton, who obtained his medical degree from the Harvard University
Medical School, describes how he learn ed to feel and eventually see
the human energy field by stud ying under both Joy and other gifted
teachers. The experience astonished and transformed Crichton. "There
isn't any delusion. It is absolutely clear that this body energy is a
genuine phenomenon of some kind," he states. 14

Chaos Holographic Patterns

The increasing willingness of doctors to go public with such abilities
is not the only change that has taken place since Karagulla did her
investigations. Over the past twenty years Valerie Hunt, a physical
therapist and professor of kinesiology at UCLA, has developed a way to
confirm experimentally the existence of the human energy field.
Medical science has long known that humans are electromagnetic beings.
Doctors routinely use electrocardiographs to make electrocardiograms
(EKGs) or records, of the elec trical activity of the heart, and
electroencephalographs to make electroencephalograms (EEGs) of the
brain's electrical activity. Hunt has discovered that an
electromyograph, a device used to measure the electrical activity in
the muscles, can also pick up the electrical presence of the human
energy field.

Although Hunt's original research involved the study of human muscular
movement, she became interested in the energy field after encountering
a dancer who said she used her own energy field to help her dance.
This inspired Hunt to make electromyograms (EMGs) of the electrical
activity in the woman's muscles while she danced, and also to study
the effect healers had on the electrical activity in the muscles of
people being healed. Her research eventually expanded to include
individuals who could see the human energy field, and it was here
that she made some of her most significant discoveries.

The normal frequency range of the electrical activity in the brain is
between 0 and 100 cycles per second (cps), with most of the activity
occurring between 0 and 30 cps. Muscle frequency goes up to about 225
cps, and the heart goes up to about 250 cps, but this is where
electrical activity associated with biological function drops off. In
addition to these, Hunt discovered that the electrodes of the
electromyograph could pick up another field of energy radiating from
the body, much subtler and smaller in amplitude than the
traditionally recognized body electricities but with frequencies that
averaged between 100 and 1600 cps, and which sometimes went even
higher. Moreover, instead of emanating from the brain, heart, or
muscles, the field was strongest in the areas of the body associated
with the chakras. "The results were so exciting that I simply was not
able to sleep that night," says Hunt. "The scientific model I had
subscribed to throughout my life just couldn't explain these

Hunt also discovered that when an aura reader saw a particular color
in a person's energy field, the electromyograph always picked up a
specific pattern of frequencies that Hunt learned to associate with
that color. She was able to see this pattern on an oscilloscope, a
device that converts electrical waves into a visual pattern on a
monochromatic video display screen. For example, when an aura reader
saw blue in a person's energy field, Hunt could confirm that it was
blue by looking at the pattern on the oscilloscope. In one experiment
she even tested eight aura readers simultaneously to see if they would
agree with the oscilloscope as well as with each other. "It was the
same right down the line," says Hunt.

Once Hunt confirmed the existence of the human energy field, she, too,
became convinced that the holographic idea offers one model for
understanding it. In addition to its frequency aspects, she points out
that the energy field, and indeed all of the body's electrical
systems, is holographic in another way. Like the information in a
hologram, these systems are distributed globally throughout the body.
For instance, the electrical activity measured by an electroenceph
alograph is strongest in the brain, but an EEG reading can also be
made by attaching an electrode to the toe. Similarly, an EKG can be
picked up in the little finger. It's stronger and higher in amplitude
in the heart, but its frequency and pattern are the same everywhere in
the body. Hunt believes this is significant. Although every portion of
what she calls the "holographic field reality" of the aura contains
aspects of the whole energy field, different portions are not
absolutely identical to each other. These differing amplitudes keep
the energy field from being a static hologram, and instead allow it to
be dynamic and flowing, says Hunt.

One of Hunt's most startling findings is that certain talents and
abilities seem to be related to the presence of specific frequencies
in a person's energy field. She has found that when the main focus of
a person's consciousness is on the material world, the frequencies of
their energy field tend to be in the lower range and are not too far
removed from the 250 cps of the body's biological frequencies. In
addition to these, people who are psychic or who have healing
abilities also have frequencies of rough ly 400 to 800 cps in their
field. People who can go into trance and apparently channel other
information sources through them, skip these "psychic" frequencies
entirely and operate in a narrow band between 800 and 900 cps. "They
don't have any psychic breadth at all," states Hunt. "They're up there
in their own field. It's narrow. It's pinpointed, and they literally
are almost out of it."

People who have frequencies above 900 cps are what Hunt calls mystical
personalities. Whereas psychics and trance mediums are often just
conduits of information, mystics possess the wisdom to know what to do
with the information, says Hunt. They are aware of the cosmic
interrelatedness of all things and are in touch with every level of
human experience. They are anchored in ordinary reality, but; often
have both psychic and trance abilities. However, their frequencies
also extend way beyond the bands a ssociated with these capabilities.
Using a modified electromyogram (an electromyogram can normally detect
frequencies only up to 20,000 cps) Hunt has encountered individuals
who have frequencies as high as 200,000 cps in their energy fields.
This is intriguing, for mystical traditions have often referred to
highly spiritual individuals as possessing a "higher vibration"than
normal people. If Hunt's findings are correct, they seem to add
credence to this assertion.

Another of Hunt's discoveries involves the new science of chaos. AS
its name implies, chaos is the study of chaotic phenomena, i.e., pro-,
that are so haphazard they do not appear to be governed by any laws.
For example, when smoke rises from an extinguished candle it flows
upward in a thin and narrow stream. Eventually the structure of the
stream breaks down and becomes turbulent. Turbulent smoke is said to
be chaotic because its behavior can no longer be predicted by science.
Other examples of chaotic phenomena include water when it crashes at
the bottom of a waterfall, the seemingly random electrical
fluctuations that rage through the brain of an epileptic during a
seizure, and the weather when several different temperature and
airpressure fronts collide.

In the past decade science has discovered that many chaotic phenomena
are not as disordered as they seem and often contain hidden patterns
and regularities (recall Bohm's assertion that there is no such thing
as disorder, only orders of indefinitely high degree). Scientists have
also discovered mathematical ways of finding some of the regularities
that lie hidden in chaotic phenomena. One of these involves a special
kind of mathematical analysis that can convert data about a chao tic
phenomenon into a shape on a computer screen. If the data contains no
hidden patterns, the resulting shape will be a straight line. But if
the chaotic phenomenon does contain hidden regularities, the shape on
the computer screen will look something like the spiral designs
children make by winding colored yarn around an array of nails pounded
into a board. These shapes are called "chaos patterns" or "strange
attractors" (because the lines that compose the shape seem to be
attracted again and again to certain areas of the computer s creen,
just as the yarn might be said to be repeatedly "attracted" to the
array of nails around which it is wound).

When Hunt observed energy field data on the oscilloscope, she noticed
that it changed constantly. Sometimes it came in great clumps,
sometimes it waned and became patchy, as if the energy field itself
were in an unceasing state of fluctuation. At first glance these
changes seemed random, but Hunt sensed intuitively they possessed some
order. Realizing that chaos analysis might reveal whether she was
right or not, she sought out a mathematician. First they ran four
seconds of data from an EKG through the com puter to see what would
happen. They got a straight line. Then they ran the same amount of
data from an EEG and an EMG. The EEG produced a straight line and the
EMG produced a slightly swollen line, but still no chaos pattern. Even
when they submitted data from the lower frequencies of the human
energy field, they got a straight line. But when they analyzed the
very high frequencies of the field they met with success. "We got the
most dynamic chaos pattern you ever saw," says Hunt.''

This meant that although the kaleidoscopic changes taking place in the
energy field appeared to be random, they were actually very highly
ordered and rich with pattern. "The pattern is never a repeatable one,
but it's so dynamic and complex, I call it a chaos holograph pattern,"
Hunt states.19

Hunt believes her discovery was the first true chaos pattern to be
found in a major electrobiological system. Recently researchers have
found chaos patterns in EEG recordings of the brain, but they needed
many minutes of data from numerous electrodes to obtain such a
pattern. Hunt obtained a chaos pattern from three to four seconds of
data recorded by one electrode, suggesting that the human energy field
is far richer in information and possesses a far more complex and
dynamic organization th an even the ele ctrical activity of the brain.

What Is the Human Energy Field Made Of?

Despite the human energy field's electrical aspects, Hunt does not
believe it is purely electromagnetic in nature. "We have a feeling
that it is much more complex and without doubt composed of an as yet
undiscovered energy," she says .

What is this undiscovered energy? At present we do not know. Our best
clue comes from the fact that almost without exception psychics
describe it as having a higher frequency or vibration than normal
matter-energy. Given the uncanny accuracy talented psychics have in
perceiving illnesses in the energy field, we should perhaps pay
serious attention to this observation. The universality of this
perceptioneven ancient Hindu literature asserts that the energy body
possesses a higher vibration than normal matter may be an indication
that such individuals are intuiting an important fact about the energy

Ancient Hindu literature also describes matter as being composed of
anu, or "atoms," and says that the subtle vibratory energies of the
human energy field exist paramanu, or literally "beyond the atom."
This is interesting, for Bohm also believes that at a subquantum level
beyond the atom there are many subtle energies still unknown to
science. He confesses that he does not know whether the human energy
field exists or not, but in commenting on the possibility, he states,
"The implicate order has many level s of subtlety. If our attention
can go to those levels of subtlety, then we should be able to see more
than we ordinarily see."

It is worth noting that we really don't know what any field is. As
Bohm has said, "What is an electric field? We don't know. When we
discover a new kind of field it seems mysterious. Then we name it, get
used to dealing with it and describing its properties, and it no
longer seems mysterious. But we still do not know what an electric or
a gravitational field really is. As we saw in an earlier chapter, we
don't even know what electrons are. We can only describe how they
behave. This suggests that the hu man energy field will also
ultimately be defined in terms of how it behaves, and research such as
Hunt's will only further our understanding.

Three-Dimensional Images in the Aura

If these inordinately subtle energies are the stuff from which the
human energy field is made, we may rest assured that they possess
qualities unlike the kinds of energy with which we are normally
familiar. One of these is evident in the human energy field's nonlocal
characteristics. Another, and one that is particularly holographic, is
the aura's ability to manifest as an amorphous blur of energy, or
occasionally form itself into three-dimensional images. Talented
psychics often report seeing such "holograms" floating in people's
auras. These images are usually of objects and ideas that hold a
prominent position in the thoughts of the person around whom they are
seen. Some occult traditions hold that such images are a product of
the third, or mental, layer of the aura, but until we have the means
to confirm or deny this allegation, we must confine ourselves to the
experiences of the psychics who are able to see images in the aura.

One such psychic is Beatrice Rich. As often happens, Rich's powers
manifested at an early age. When she was a child, objects in her
presence would occasionally move about on their own accord. When she
grew older she discovered she knew things about people she had no
normal means of knowing. Although she began her career as an artist,
her clairvoyant talents proved so impressive that she decided to
become a full-time psychic. Now she gives readings for individuals
from all walks of life, from housewives to chief executives of
corporations, and articles about her work have appeared in such
diverse publications as New York magazine, World Tennis, and New York

Rich often sees images floating around or hovering near her clients.
Once she saw silver spoons, silver plates, and similar objects
circling around a man's head. Because it was early in her explorations
of psychic phenomena, the experience startled her. At first she did
not know why she was seeing what she was seeing. But finally she told
the man and discovered that he was in the import/export business and
traded in the very objects she was seeing circling his head. The
experience was riveting and changed h er perceptions forever.

Dryer has had many similar experiences. Once during a reading she saw
a bunch of potatoes whirling around a woman's head. Like Rich, she was
at first dumbfounded but summoned her courage and asked the woman if
potatoes had any special meaning for her. The woman laughed and handed
Dryer her business card. "She was from the Idaho Potato Board, or
something like that," says Dryer. "You know, the potato grower's
equivalent of the American Dairy Association. 1123

These images don't always just hover in the aura, but sometimes can
appear to be ghostly extensions of the body itself. On one occasion
Dryer saw a wispy and holographiclike layer of mud clinging to a
woman's hands and arms. Given the woman's impeccable grooming and
expensive attire, Dryer could not imagine why thoughts of mucking
around in some kind of viscous sludge would be occupying her mind.
Dryer asked her if she understood the image, and the woman nodded,
explaining that she was a sculptor and had tr ied out a new medium
that morning that had clung to her arms and hands exactly as Dryer had

I, too, have had similar experiences when looking at the energy field.
Once, while deep in thought about a novel I was working on about
werewolves (as some readers may be aware, I have a fondness for
writing fiction about folkloric subjects), I noticed that the ghostly
image of a werewolf's body had formed around my own body. I would
quickly like to stress that this was a purely visual phenomenon and at
no time did I feel I had in any way become a werewolf. Nonetheless,
the holographiclike image that enveloped my body was real enough that
when I lifted my arm I could actually see the individual hairs in the
fur and the way the canine nails protruded from the wolfish hand that
encased my own hand. Indeed, everything about these features was
absolutely real, save that they were translucent and I could see have
been frightening, but for some reason it wasn't, and I found myself
only fascinated by what I was seeing.

What was significant about this experience was that Dryer was my house
guest at the time and happened to walk into the room while I was still
sheathed in this phantomlike werewolf body. She reacted immediately
and said, "Oh my, you must be thinking about your werewolf novel
because you've become a werewolf." We compared notes and discovered
that we were each observing the same features. We became involved in
conversation, and as my thoughts strayed from the novel, the werewolf
image slowly faded.

Movies in the Aura

The images that psychics see in the energy field are not always
static. Rich says she often sees what looks like a little transparent
movie going on around a client's' head: "Sometimes I see a small image
of the person behind their head or shoulders doing various things they
do in life. My clients tell me that my descriptions are very accurate
and specific. I can see their offices and what their bosses look like.
I can see what they've thought of and what's happened to them during
the last six months. Recen tly I told a client that I could see her
home and she had masks and flutes hanging on her wall. She said, `No,
no, no.' I said yes, there are musical instruments hanging on the
wall, mostly flutes, and there are masks. And then she said, `Oh,
that's my summer home.' 'a4

Dryer says she also sees what look like three-dimensional movies in a
person's energy field. "Usually they're in color, but they can also be
brown, or look like tintypes. Often they depict a story about the
person that can take anywhere from five minutes to an hour to unfold.
The images are also incredibly detailed. When I see a person sitting
in a room I can tell them how many plants are in the room, how many
leaves are on each plant, and how many bricks are in the wall. I
usually don't get into such minut e description unless it seems
pertinent.' 125

I can attest to Dryer's accuracy. I have always been an organized
person, and when I was a child I was quite precocious in this regard.
Once when I was five years old I spent several hours meticulously
storing and organizing all of my toys in a closet. When I was finished
to touch anything in the closet because I did not want her messing up
my carefully ordered arrangements. My mother's account of this
incident has amused the family ever since. During my first reading
with Dryer she described this incident in detail, as well as many
other events in my life, as she watched it unfold like a movie in my
energy field. She, too, chuckled as she described it.

Dryer likens the images she sees to holograms and says that when she
chooses one and starts to watch it, it seems to expand and fill the
entire room. "If I see something going on with a person's shoulder,
such as an injury, suddenly the whole scene widens. That's when I get
the sense that it's a hologram because sometimes I feel I can step
right into it and be a part of it. It's not happening to me, but
around me. It's almost as if I'm in a three-dimensional movie, a
holographic movie, with the person. 1126

Dryer's holographic vision is not limited to events from a person's
life. She sees visual representations of the operations of the
unconscious mind as well. As we all know, the unconscious mind speaks
in a language of symbols and metaphors. This is why dreams often seem
so nonsensical and mysterious. However, once one learns how to
interpret the language of the unconscious, the meanings of dreams
become clear. Dreams are not the only things that are written in the
parlance of the unconscious. Individuals wh o are familiar with the
language of the psyche-a language psychologist Erich Fromm calls the
"forgotten language," because most of us have forgotten how to
interpret it-recognize its presence in other human creations such as
myths, fairy tales, and religious visions.

Some of the holographic movies Dryer sees in the human energy field
are also written in this language and resemble the metaphorical
messages of dreams. We now know that the unconscious mind is active
not only while we dream, but all of the time. Dryer is able to peel
back a person's waking self and gaze directly at the unceasing river
of images that is always flowing through their unconscious mind. And
both practice and her natural, intuitive gifts have made her extremely
skilled at deciphering the language of the unconscious. "Jungian
psychologists love me," says Dryer.

In addition, Dryer has a special way of knowing whether she has
interpreted an image correctly. "If I haven't explained it correctly,
it doesn't go away," she states. "It just stays in the energy field.
But once I've told the person everything they need to know about a
particular image, it begins to dissolve and disappear. 1127 Dryer
thinks this ibecause it is a client's own unconscious mind that
chooses what images to show her. Like Ullman, she believes the psyche
is always trying to teach the conscious se lf things it needs to know
to become healthier and happier, and to grow spiritually.

Dryer's ability to observe and interpret the innermost workings of a
person's psyche is one of the reasons she is able to effect such
profound transformations in many of her clients. The first time she
described the stream of images she saw unfolding in my own energy
field, I had the uncanny sensation she was telling me about one of my
own dreams, save that it was a dream I had not yet dreamed. At first
the phantasmagoria of images was only mysteriously familiar, but as
she unraveled and explained each symb ol and metaphor in turn, I
recognized the machinations of my inner self, both the things I
accepted and the things I was less willing to embrace. Indeed, it is
clear from the work of psychics like Rich and Dryer that there is an
enormous amount of information in the energy field. One wonders if
this is perhaps why Hunt obtained such a pronounced chaos pattern when
she analyzed data from the aura.

The ability to see images in the human energy field is not new. Nearly
three hundred years ago the great Swedish mystic Emanuel Swedenborg
reported that he could see a "wave-substance" around people, and in
the wave-substance a person's thoughts were visible as images he
called "portrayals." In commenting on the inability of other people to
see this wave-substance around the body, he observed, "I could see
solid concepts of thought as though they were surrounded by a kind of
wave. But nothing reaches [normal] human sensation except what is in
the middle and seems solid. 1128 Swedenborg could also see portrayals
in his own energy field: "When I was thinking about someone I knew,
then his image appeared as he looked when he was named in human
presence; but all around, like something flowing in waves, was
everything I had known and thought about him from boyhood."
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....you are a spamming ass...


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Uncle Al <[Only registered users see links. ].net> wrote in message news:<[Only registered users see links. ].net>...

You are blind. Trapped within by your 5 senses. If you live in
the medieval times and someone would describe radio sets.
You would say "bullshit". Note our senses and scientific
instruments depend on electrons and photons. For those
other energy levels that don't interact with them. Then it's
invisible. But treating them all as nonexistence without second
thought or not being open minded is like being close minded to
all possibilities in the universe. And it's not science but religion.
So you are a religious person. Great

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Old 11-13-2003, 03:59 AM
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In article <[Only registered users see links. ] >, [Only registered users see links. ] says...

I think that the problem is largely, that for many people,
who have never directly experienced a thing, they have only
the words themselves which conjur up visions of people
like Kreskin or worse, the Amazing Randi, and then their
thoughts go to the wide eyed bushy tailed dreamweavers
with their flowery tongues, and fairies, and modern dance.

Yet a simple lucid dream. Is all it takes to open ones eyes.

Yet they may never have one.

Can you imagine a dream, that is as real as this reality.

How would you then regard this reality, after experiencing another?

As real as this one, in every detail.

And what if you met a person, in a lucid dream. Spoke with them,
interacted with them. Got to know them.

And then actually saw the person on the street a couple days later.

Unmistakeable. And you saw them for what you thougt, was the
first time in your life.

And what if this happened several times.

And what if people at times came up to you, like you were old
friends, who you had only met, in lucid dreams.

What would your opinion of the real world be then?

All these things happen to pepople every day.

And you can even learn how to lucid dream.

Learning the real esoteric teachings, can take 20 years
of study and meditation, and practice, and higher learning

You cannot expect to understand it, by reading a few words
of text on a page.

So of course you say bullshit.

Because you have not experienced the things in this world
that that others have, because you chose impericism.

Well scientism, is failing mankind right now.

Look at yourselves. You are in constant denial.

You are desparately promoting theories like evolution
and desparatly trying to block creationism, merely because
you have just the same dogmatic inclinations as the creationists.

Here is DNA. Here is a bowl with a few chemicals in it that
you are trying to say, that by adding electricity, the
basic building blocks of life can be created, and therefore
life came from primordial pond scum.

Again here is DNA. Here is RNA. Where is this so called graduated
scale from one to the other?

There is none.

Yet you go about preaching to kids, that they should believe you,
even when your theories have been falsified.
You are in denial.

Living in the past.

And the children?

The first time they find themselves alone and in need of some
sort of spiritual strength, where will they turn?

Will they hang their heads and pray like most people do?

To who?

To the bowl of pond scum you led them to believe created
DNA with its billions of bits of imformation locked in code
which determines the outcome of the life form?

Something as complex as a human brain, or a human eye,
in your pond scum?

Where is the almost DNA.

Then why do you insist on preaching Darwinism, when it
has been proven to be erroneous and false?

What are you teaching the children exactly?

To live in some sort of pretend world based on what?

Denial of existence?

Then where is your philosophical rendering of this
new Don Quixote philosophy for dummies, that we might
rip it to shreds before your very eyes.

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cinquirer, newsgroup spammer:

Not if they demonstrated what they described.

Go read some experimental physics papers. In fact, since you seem
fascinated by the weak interaction, read up on it. In particular
see experiments regarding the discovery parity violation, (wu, et al),
the discovery of the muon neutrino (steinberger, et al), cp violation
(cronin and fitch), fierz interference (many authors, it resolved the
debate over the form of the weak interaction), etc.

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In sci.physics, cinquirer
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Term Check.

A hologram, if I'm not misusing the term, is basically
a film emulsion exposed to interfering laser beams and
the reflections off an object. I'd have to look up
the details but basically the result can be "read" by a
laser of the same frequency. The result is a faithful
(within the limitations of the laser, which tends to be
monochromatic :-) ) representation of the image.

Holography, of course, is the creation and/or study of such images.

Many variations are possible; one in particular is a "rainbow
hologram", which can be viewed in ordinary light.

What you are most likely describing or attempting
to describe is some variant of 3-dimensional
perception/integration, vaguely like a bat perhaps when
it "reads" the world around it by sonar and instantly
computes a hypothesis of the world around it from the
sounds it gets back into its ears. (Humans can do this
too, although we have far less experience; try clapping
your hands in an enclosed room, then outside, then in
another enclosed room with thick drapes or something.
Or one can hypothesize a highly sophisticated computer
processing multiple inputs (radar, sonar, passive optics,
movement resistance to its treads -- if it's movable) to
build a model of its surroundings.)

The pineal is a gland. To suggest it can "see anything" verges
on the bizarre.

Chakra: any of several points of physical or spiritual energy in
the human body according to yoga philosophy.

Sorry, you've overstepped your mysticism quota. :-)

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Old 11-13-2003, 10:33 AM
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cinquirer wrote:

Err, I repeatedly said that I don't want to see long sermons. I want to
see clear answers to my questions.

This comparison makes little sense and doesn't help in any way to clear
up anything about clairvoyancy. You *did* notice that the movie Matrix
was SciFi, didn't you?

They "can see the world in energy"? What does this mean?

What's an "energy matrix"?

What are "pineal eyes", and how does one use them or a "chakra" to
"see"? And what does "energy signature" mean?

Read: There are lots of deluded people in the world.

Does he explain what "energy field" is supposed to mean?

Better question: What does "human energy field" mean, and does it even

Kirlian photography?

You are really getting ridiculous now.

Another New Age buzz word.

Before wondering for a name, first proof that the phenomenon exists.

Well, obviously we are.

What are "information fields"?

And how does he know this?

How does this work, and how does he know this?

What does he mean by "holograms" here, specifically? And how does he
know that these "fields" change with that?

How does he know?

And where there ever any properly controlled tests done on this
clairvoyance of "auras"?

What fact?

No quibble about that. So far, everything seems to be well-established

What's this?

The answer to what question?

What is this supposed to mean?

And this?

New Age gibberish. This doesn't explain "frequency domain" at all, it
only introduces two more buzz words without any definition or

He may think what he want - but until he doesn't define his terms
clearly and gives some evidence for his ideas, this has nothing to do
with science, but it simply New Age gibberish.

I'm still waiting for a definition what "energy field" is supposed to
mean. An explanation what exactly he means by "energy" would be a good
starting point. He doesn't seem to use the usual physical definition of

Err, if he really means "light", we should see it. If he doesn't mean
"light", he should use another term (and explain what he means).

So what? Lots of nonsense can be found in many ancient traditions. "It's
old, therefore it's right" is a nonsensical argument.

And what have these reference to do with the aura mentioned above?

Again, what does "energy" mean here?

So what? *Are* auras egg-shaped? I don't think so, concerning what I've
heard so far about them.

And what does "iridescence" mean, specifically?

And I *BET* that most of them do describe it totally differently. But
such ugly little facts don't disturb believers in the aura.

Nice. Why don't we see anyone today having such a visible halo? Aren't
there any "extremely spiritual individuals" in our modern world left?

Oh, so you believe in any miracle which is recorded anywhere in the
literature? Or do you believe only in the ones where "luminous
phenomena" are reported? If the latter, why do you reject all the other

I don't know Neumann, but Sai Baba is a well-known fraud, AFAIK.

Lots of nonsense is reported about cult leaders. Show me any person
living today who gives off light.

How convenient. Makes it kind of unfalsifiable by scientists.

Another nice piece of evidence that one sees what one wants to see - as
this author pointed out himself in the introduction!!!!!

Didn't it ever occur to you that the fact that different observers
describe the auras in different ways is powerful evidence that auras
don't really exist, but are simply made up by your own mind?

What is an "energy body"?

And describe their appearances and their properties differently, I bet.

Is there any reason for these names?

What's this supposed to mean?

How is this supposed to work, and what's the evidence for this?

How do you know?

*sigh* No comment.

How do you know?

Which are placed at different places by different cultures, right?

Evidence for this, please.

How do you know?

Does everyone say this, no matter from which culture he/she comes from?

It's used by people coming from this culture or at least favorable to
it; I don't think that it's used by any other people.

What does "originate" mean here?

Why? And what does "spiritual awakening" mean?

"often"? Why not always?

Don't worry, I think you will be able to convince yourself that you see
them, too, one day.

Any double-blind studies on that?

Why don't you wonder if this story wasn't simply made up?

Err, if you don't see it with your eyes, how can you associate colors to
it? Colors correspond to different wave lengths of visible light, but as
you yourself pointed out, the aura doesn't give off visible light in
most cases.

Any evidence for this?

One can notice where there are trees and where not by other means, too -
for example, one can sense the wind, one can perhaps hear birds in the
trees, and so on. No need to involve any psychic abilities to explain

Did she ever do any properly controlled tests on her abilities?

Why didn't she ever apply to the James Randi challenge?
(and please spare me comments that Randi is a fraud or something like

Again, any double blind studies ever done there?

Oh, what a detailed diagnosis! I'm amazed!!!

If you didn't notice, this was sarcasm. This is a common ploy of
so-called psychics: make vague statements ("something abnormal about her
uterus" can mean *LOTS* of things!), which can mean lots of things,
often based on subtle clues from their patients (for example, if it's an
older woman, it's a quite good guess that she may have problems with or
around her uterus!), and then if something vaguely similar comes up,
claim success. If nothing similar comes up, simply claim that the
problem hasn't been discovered by her doctor yet, or that it will
develop only in the future.

What "same problem"? Can't he get more specific?

Nice success story. Now, did anyone ever count how many successes and
how many failures Brennan had and compared the numbers? I bet, no.

Did she say exactly this, or did she again make a vague statement which
was interpreted then to fit this actual problem?

Any properly controlled studies about that? So far, it's all anecdotial

It didn't occur to you that there may be visible changes to that
nostril, too?

[snip more of such stuff]

"there is a frequency domain beyond our field of normal perception" is
not a "scientific model", it's New Age gibberish, until the terms aren't
properly defined and until there is no evidence for the existence of
these things.

What's this?

Gibberish. Absolute gibberish. Brennan, who worked as a physicist,
should be ashamed to make such nonsensical pronouncements.

Why does this imply non-locality? It could equally well be explained by
a fast transmission speed.

Which has not one properly controlled double-blind study in it, but tons
of anecdotial evidence, I bet.

[snip *lots* of similar stuff; I'm really getting tired of this! No
explanations, only lots of buzz words; no properly controlled studies,
only anecdotial evidence - as usual]

What electrical aspects?

Does she know what "energy" means in physics?

What on earth is this supposed to mean? What is the "frequency of normal

Only anecdotial evidence for this "accuracy" so far.

If you present properly controlled double-blind tests which demonstrate
this, and are repeatable with the same results, then you have a point.

Quote, please. I don't believe that ancient Hindu literature used the
word "vibration". This is almost certainly a modern, weird
interpretation of ancient literature.

Quote, please. Same comment as above.

Quote, please. Dito.

I also told you my opinion about Bohm.

Nonsense. We know quite well what it is. An electric field is the
emergent property of lots of virtual photons. (and yes, I know that you
can claim now, too, that I use "buzz words" without explaining them -
but please consider that the terms I use here are well-established,
well-defined terms in the physical literature, which you can read up
almost everywhere!)

Again, nonsense. A gravitational field is a consequence of an attempted
Newtonian description of what's going on in a curved space-time.

Err, elementary particles with very well known properties, which can be
viewed as excitations of a Dirac field.

What's the difference between being able to describe precisely how
something behaves and knowing what this something is, in physics?

[snip rest - nothing new in there, as far as I can see]

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There is a stage to every growth be it ideas, thoughts, theories. And
scientific development is in stages too. Someday science will encompass
the field of interconnected and it's going to produce the next
scientific revolution. So side by side with materialistic mastery. We
will master the science of the spirit or consciousness too and what
was divided will join and become one. Wait the day when we can
transfer the brain consciousness to a copy clone thru cutting edge
genetic technology and imprint it with the soul matrix of the original
thru total mastery of etheric science. Then we can embrace immortality
and you two can sit together in a floating city above the arctic
toasting drinks and the year is 2115 A.D. So stop fighting now


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Old 11-13-2003, 01:18 PM
Bjoern Feuerbacher
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Rick Sobie wrote:

Care to propose any other method to learn something about the world?

Depends on the description. If he/she would take the time to explain all
the basic small steps to me and would demonstrate his/her assertion by
experiments, I wouldn't call it "bullshit".

And protons. And neutrons.

What "other energy levels"? What is this supposed to mean?

Essentially you say "if it can't be detected, it can't be detected".

One can't be open minded to *all* possibilites - so please tell us how
we can choose to which possibilities we should be open minded.

Nonsense. Religion has a clear definition (open up a lexicon), and this
has nothing to do with this clear definition.

And what's so bad about having only words? Words can describe a lot.

What's so bad about Randi?

Why can't this be done while being awake?

Yes. I think most dreams feel like reality.

Well, from dreams, I wake up after a short time. OTOH, I've lived in
this reality for several decades now without waking up.

Can't work, because this "other reality" in my dream can't last as long
as this one.

Coincidence, or having known the person beforehand and forgetting
him/her would be possible explanations.

Then it becomes strange. Any evidence that this really happened?

That something strange is going on: for example, I could have severe
problems with my memory.

Evidence, please.

In other words: It can take rather long, but someday you will learn how
to deceive yourself.

We say it's bullshit because no evidence for it has been presented so
far - no properly controlled studies.

What's so bad about empirical methods? (if you meant these)

Evidence for this assertion, please.

I accept lots of things, hence I obviously can't be in "constant

No, because the creationists present no evidence for their claims.

Straw man.

Do you think there is a big problem for getting from RNA to DNA? Why do
you think so? The molecules are chemically *very* similar, there is only
a simple chemical reaction needed to get from one to the other. Asking
for a "graduated scale" here makes no sense; you could as well ask for a
"graduate scale" to get from a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen to water.

Why should there be?

Education is preaching?

I've never heard any teacher say to kids that they should "believe in

When did this happen? Please give some references.

Well, *you* deny evolution, hence who is in denial here?

To their parents, who love them in general.

Why should they?

Don't you think that learning to solve problems by themselves or by
asking other people to help them is better than simply praying for help?

Please tell us how you measure the information content of DNA.

Try reading "The Origin of Species". Darwin explained already back then
how the human eye could have evolved.


See above.

That evolution is a well-supported scientific theory, and we show them
some of this evidence.

Sorry, I don't know what you are talking about here.

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I'd share one technique some use to develope etheric vision.
Pls. be open minded.

Barbara Ann Brennan, a NASA scientists who claimed to have
clairvoyant faculties and *can* even see the blood cells by zooming
it like microscopic vision, has the following explanation about how
clairvoyancy works (the sketch of the brain parts involved and how it
works) and a great pointer on how to develope it yourself. I have
met hundreds of people with eetheric vision and have partial one
myself so I know it exists. Note that your brain must be in alpha wave
a lot to make it work. Thinking can get it to beta, so learn to
be at alpha wave in the background while thinking and it is difficult
and thats the challenge of developing Aetheric vision or clairvoyancy.

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(All over the world. Many are developing the abilities. It is more
useful for scientifically inclined people to develope the ability
rather than misguided emotional peeping tom New Agers. So use the
ability wisely to advance science and understanding of the universe.-c)

Quoting Barbara Brennan in "Hands of Light":

"I have the following explanation of how this kind of seeing works. I
have observed the path of light coming into the body with my internal
x-ray vision. And what I have seen is this. Light enters both through
the third eye and through the physical eyes and flows along the optic
nerves as shown in Figure 18-6. This light is of higher vibration than
visible light and can pass through skin. The light passes through the
optic chiasm and goes round the pituitary, which sits right behind the
optic chiasm. The lig ht then takes two paths. One path goes to the
occipital lobes for normal vision, and the other into the thalamus for
oculomotor control. It has been my observation that by certain med
itative and breathing techniques, one can cause the pituitary to start
vibrating and radiating gold auric light (or rose light if the person
is in love). This vibration and gold light increase the amount of
light branching into the thalamus area. According to my seeing, this
auric light arcs over the bott om of the corpus callo sum and is
directed into the pineal gland, which acts as a detector for internal
vision. By breathing in a certain controlled manner that rasps air
against the upper back throat and soft palate, located just the other
side of the pituitary. I can stimulate the pituitary into this
vibration. This meditative breathing also helps to focus my mind and
to quiet it. It also brings gold light up the back of my spine from
the base and rose light up the front. Th ese two streams arc over each
other in the thalamus ar ea. This brings more energy to the central
forehead and central areas of the brain with which I see. The
subjective feeling of this type of seeing is allowing something
(energy, information) to come into the third eye region of the head.
This type of vision brings with it the ability to scan to whatever
depth one chooses, with a wide range of resolution, down to the
cellular and even viral level.

My subjective feeling is that I have a scanner inside my head. It is
located at the central brain area behind my third eye and about two
inches back, where a line straight back from the third eye would
intersect a line drawn between my temples. This seems to be the heart
of the scanner. From this point, I can look in any direction I choose
without moving my head; however, it usually helps to look directly at
whatever I am scanning.

When a patient comes to me, I do a very general scan over the entire
body to pick up areas of interest. I am attracted to the areas of the
body that need attention. Then I tune in more finely to that area and
scan it at a finer resolution."

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