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Dark Matter Interpenetrating the Earth & Vacuum Constitutions?

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Old 10-26-2003, 11:33 PM
Kyle Taylor
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I don't understand Dark Matter behavior very well. So
I'll try to understand it by getting analogy of how it may
behave on earth

Suppose we have manage to acquire a car size junk of Dark
Matter and bring it to earth.

1. Would it be subject to gravity? Or would it just float in
the air?

2. Would it interpenetrate physical matter meaning would our
hands just pass thru it when we try to touch it? In other words,
is it solid in the physical sense?

3. What's the arguments against the possibility that Dark Matter
is right now interpenetrating the Earth and solar system and
we don't see it. I mean, how would the behavior of earth and
the solar system differ if Dark Matter are already interpenetrating
the entire earth and solar system?

4. I read the following about Dark Matter and want someone to
repute or support it "Her distribution shows that she's not subject
to gravity, because if she were, her density would decrease at
increasing distances from the center of the galaxy. While,
observing the universe on increasingly larger scale than a galaxy,
more and more conspicuous dark masses have been detected".
What the above author is implying is that Dark Matter may be
on earth and solar system right now interpenetrating even
even in our physical body. What's the argument against it?

5. The author theorized that Dark Matter is 90% of total
mass and is "heavy" because it glues physical matter together
through gravity. Any counter arguments?

6. This physicist theorist also wrote the following, "... soon
after the Big Bang, the observed universe underwent a phase
transition, that changed type of matter, and affected fields
too. Yet cosmology hasn't realized that the observed
universe is just a small portion (10%) of the total mass
that then solidified. That event is recorded in many holy
texts, such as the Bible, in Genesis, as the "separation of
light from darkness". The greater portion didn't solidify at
that time and is still co-existing as a "dark" mass, composing
many other universes, each one in a different phase of one
Substance."
"Dark matter composes all the non-solid phases of the
Substance"

(Further it is written):

"Physical matter is the solid state of the Substance. Its
solidity is evident in the atomic structure: almost the entire
atomic mass is trapped into an extremely small volume, the
nucleus, whose radius is 100,000 times less than the whole
atom. There is huge "vacuum" between the nucleus and
the electrons orbiting around it. This "vacuum" is actually
full of energy, physics has discovered. Its empty appearance
is due to our limited 5-sense perception. "Vacuum" coincides
with dark mass, in my view: it may therefore coexist with
physical matter with any atom, although we can't observe it.
While physical matter is ruled by ferocious nuclear forces
which constrain most of it into the very small nucleus, dark
matter is free and doesn't depend on them. It could be
organized by different laws.... ."

Now can experts pls try to refute or support the above.
I'd like to know specially if Dark Matter can be existing right
now in our physical bodies and interpenetrating the earth.
What's the strong arguments against each one of the above
questions. I've spent days thinking of it but can't quite nail
it. Thanks.

Kyle
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Old 10-27-2003, 12:06 AM
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"Kyle Taylor" <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message
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Nobody does.

That's why it is called Dark Matter.. Not because it is "dark" in
color, but that we cannot see it with any known observation methods.


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Old 10-27-2003, 12:11 AM
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MorituriMax wrote:

....other than the effect of its gravity.

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Old 10-27-2003, 12:48 AM
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Kyle Taylor wrote:

Dark matter is curve fitting. As a physical entity It would act like
a SuperSymmetry neutralino - nothing for it to decay into, inherently
relativistic, no electromagnetic interactions at all (no way to cool
by radiation or scattering), subject only to gravitation.


No electromagnetic interactions at all. Invisible and imperceptible.
Freely passes through all matter. No interaction cross-section for
anything. It rides the shape of spacetime (gravitation). It doesn't
agglomerate, either - no mechanism for binding except gravitation. It
cannot condense into "stars" because there is no mechanism for cooling
during coalescence.


No electromagnetic interactions at all. Invisible, imperceptible,
freely permeable. All dark matter would do is add to the mass of a
galaxy to correct its measured orbital velocity vs. radius.


Relativistic particles subject only to gravitation and incapable of
cooling will stack density like a loosely bound atmosphere. There is
nothing to detect except gross gravitational interaction.


Either you are misquoting or the author is blowing it out his bottom.

[snip]


Your view is at odds with all of physics. Learn something about zero
point fluctuations of the quantum vacuum, Casimir effect, Lamb shift,
vacuum Rabi oscillations, electron anomalous g-factor... and dark
matter. If you possess no empirical knowledge your deductions will be
empirical crap.

[snip]

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Old 10-27-2003, 12:52 AM
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Dear Kyle Taylor:

"Kyle Taylor" <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message
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Be sure and vist the links that Sam Wormley provided.


Subject to gravity, yes. It would not float in the air.


It is not expected to be "touchable". It is "Dark" for the precise reason
that light is not affected by it. Presumably then, physical touch, which
is moderated by electrostatic forces, would not be possible.


Dark Matter was proposed to explain why galaxies spin faster at the edges
than their mass would allow. So Dark Matter is expected to be
(conveniently) distributed in increasing proportion, right up to the edge
of a galaxy. If Dark Matter were interpenetrating the inner solar system,
then our determinations of the mass of the Sun, and all the planets would
be in error.


No argument. We'd just have a disjoint as to what mass is visible and what
isn't. There is pretty good agreement with expected mass the Earth
*should* have based on its size. And this is looking at atomic masses on
up. You might sneak an extra 5% into a planet, but I'd be truly surprised
if it were that much.


Not observed. A nucleus is bonded protons (and neutrons). Gravity is many
orders of magnitude smaller than the electrostatic force, and it is in turn
orders of magnitude smaller than the nuclear forces. Yet strong positive
charges are held quite close together. From the very small to the size of
the Solar System, Dark Matter is pretty much disallowed.

At some point Pioneer 10 passed a threshold, where it is remotely possible,
some Dark Matter added a very small amount to the mass of the Solar System.
There are a number of other very viable explanations for this, including
simple friction against slower "solar wind", so don't think this is
anything like gospel.


The recent CMBR analyses have been cited as evidence that Dark Matter did
not exist at that time.

Do not spend effort arguing with religious fanatics. Their blindness is
infectious.

David A. Smith


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Old 10-27-2003, 02:45 AM
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[Only registered users see links. ] (Kyle Taylor) wrote in message news:<cbc689e8.0310261533.f380e0b@posting.google.c om>...



[EL]
I bought a set of dark matter from Mitsu-Bishi the other day.
I am no sure if it was a complete set or if some were missing.
The set is labelled by the darkness of the matter on one side and the
hardness of the dark matter on the other side.
The set I have is:

6B, 5B, 4B, 3B, 2B, 1B, B, HB, H, 2H, 3H, 4H, 5H, 6H, 7H, 8H, 9H.

So all of them are dark but darkness of matter differs from one pencil
to the other.


EL
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Old 10-27-2003, 04:26 AM
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On 26 Oct 2003 15:33:31 -0800, [Only registered users see links. ] (Kyle Taylor)
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Given that the bible has been wrong on nearly every scientific and
historic matter, it seems hardly a place to go for reliable
cosmological information.

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Old 10-27-2003, 06:10 AM
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"[Only registered users see links. ] \(formerly\)" <dlzc1.cox@net> wrote in message news:<c%Zmb.117594$gv5.75387@fed1read05>...

Hmm... Suppose a Dark Matter falls from the sky into my bedroom.
Would it stay in my bedroom floor or would it pass thru the
ground to the centre of the earth. How can something have gravity
yet without mass?? Suppose I made a baseball bat out of Dark
Matter and hit a monkey. It won't affect him, yet when I drop it,
it would fall to the center of the earth??

Furthermose, supposed many dark matter reaches the earth and it
gravitates to the core of the earth. Would it get larger and
larger (much like filling a cup with water until it fills up)
finally occupying the mantle and crust of the earth to reach
the surface or would it just stay at the core interpenetrating
amongst themselves? If its the latter, is there a limit to the
interpenetration density. Would the Dark Matter of an entire
galaxy fit in a small cup or basin intepenetrating amongst
themselves?

Kyle
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Old 10-27-2003, 08:21 AM
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Right, that's what I meant to imply.. thanks!


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Old 10-27-2003, 08:23 AM
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Rog that.. forgot to append that idea..


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