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| This is a collection on discussions on superluminal effects, spin effects and metall optics discussions. Some notes are in german and others written in english. The references to Nimtz home page and another link to rotating blood cells in a light field are given. Answers are given for frequently asked questions on the top 3 topics: 1. Frustrated internal total reflection (Nimtz experiment) - superluminal behaviour 2. Spin flux formula for electromagnetic waves 3. Energy formulas in metal optics [Only registered users see links. ] der neueste pdf -download: [Only registered users see links. ] ing.pdf ist aus dem Jahre 2001 Licht mit Spin, Licht mit Überlichtgeschwindigkeit, Konvergentes Modell der Metalloptik Licht mit Spin um (bzw. vor) 1992 wurden in Amerika Lichtstrahlexperimente mit Spinlicht durchgeführt. Die klassische Elektrodynamik kennt keine Drehimpulsformeln. Sonnenlicht und thermische Strahlung sind ohne Drehimpuls. Wer kennt die Gruppe in Amerika oder hat eine Referenz auf eine Veröffentlichung ? Warum ich frage ? Wie ich gehört habe soll es diesen Leuten geungen sein, ein schwarzes Rad bei senkrechtem Strahungseinfall in Rotation zu versetzen ! Quantenmechanisch ist die Existenz von Spinlicht gut zu verstehen. Photonen haben rechts- bzw.linkshändigen Spin. Viele Photonen (ein Photonenfluß) könnte demzufolge Spin transportieren, wenn eine der beiden Photonensorten überwiegt. Licht mit Überlichtgeschwindigkeit Inhomogene Wellen, wie sie etwa bei der Totalreflexion an einem Glasprisma im optisch dünneren Medium auftreten, transportieren Lichtwellen signalerhaltend mit effektiven Überlichtgeschwindigkeiten. Bringt man einen Signalempfänger in die inhomogene Welle, so entsteht ein Tunnelfluß, der exponentiell mit dem Abstand von der Grenzfläche abfällt. Mit guten Verstärkern läßt sich das Restlicht im Exponentialschwanz verstärken und bei nicht zu großer Entfernung das Signal (z.B. Mozartmusik) rekonstruieren. Diese Experimente von Prof. Nimtz an der Uni Köln scheinen der Relativitätstheorie zu widersprechen. Es zeigt sich als Ergebnis der Nimtz - Experimente, daß das Licht den Tunnel quasi instantan überbrückt. Eine tolle Erfindung. Die Experimete wurden mit 10 cm langen Wellen durchgeführt. Mit der Relativitätstheorie verträglich ? Zunächst einmal ja. Auch Einstein hat die Existenz von Überlichtgeschwindigkeitsphänomenen (er nannte sie Tachionen) nicht ausgeschlossen. Photonen haben keine Masse und so ist das Problem mit der Masse nicht vorhanden. Materielle Körper nur max. Lichtgeschwindihkeit. Die Theorie ist aber nichtlokal ? Der Raum ohne Zeit ? - so ist der Schluß des Experimentators. Das wäre nicht so wenn wenigstens endiche Überlichtgeschwindigkeiten herauskämen. Kann man also das signalerhaltende Hopping auf der Rückseite eines Quarzprismas nicht als Grenzfall einer lokalen kausalen Theorie verstehen ? Ein weiterer Aspekt: Die Konstanz der Lichtgeschwindigkeit wird experimentell immer genauer bestätigt. Sind die Experimente von Nimtz dazu nicht im Widerspruch ? Die Antwort lautet: Nein! Dort werden die Messungen immer an homogenen Kugelwellen durchgeführt, nicht an Wellen mit stark exponentiell abfallender Flanke wie es Nimtz tut. Der Raum ist auch nicht ohne Zeit, denn während der Durchführung der Experimente sind auch normal reflektierte thermische Photonen gleicher Frequenz im Raum hinter dem Totalreflexionsprisma anwesend und die verhalten sich völlig normal mit der Zeit. Es gibt Erklärungsversuche von Nimtz betreffend die zeitliche Erstreckung von Signalen, die mir nicht einleuchten. Könnte es nicht einfach nur sein, daß die Tunnelwellen eine sehr kleine Energiedichte haben oder diese sogar Null ist ? Ist das nicht die einfachere Erklärung? Metalloptik Warum gibt es keine Metalloptik mit Energieflüssen ? Wie Richard Feynman es formulierte: Was hat es mit dem komplexen Brechungsindex auf sich ? Ich kann dazu nur sagen: Es gibt sie ! Die herkömmliche Metalloptik (ohnehin nicht akzeptiert von den Theoretikern) ist falsch. Allerdings ist sie nicht ganz falsch. Man muß an Grenzflächen zwischen zwei Stoffen eine Vakuumlayer einführen, also so tun, als wäre eine Vakuumschicht zwischen den Stoffen. Die Dicke dieser Vakuum - Schichten läßt man dann in den Lösungsformeln gegen Null gehen. Was man erhält sind andere Formeln für Plattensysteme. Auch die in der Literatur beschriebene und gemessene Dickenabhängigkeit des Brechungsindex (z.B. Landolt Bernstein) ist wahrscheinlich ein Effekt, der aufgrund der Verwendung falscher Formeln entsteht. Auch die Tatsache, daß es Reflexionen und Totalreflexionen an Gradienten des Brechungsindex gibt (z.B. Gradientenfasern bei Lichtwellenleitern) läßt sich mit den neuen Formeln erklären (die Fresnelschen bzw. Drudeformeln gestatten keine Reflexionen an Gradienten !). Mich würde interessieren, ob es Interesse gibt, diese Formeln experimentell zu bestätigen. Mich würde dabei auch interessieren, wie es sich mit der Reproduzierbarkeit bei Ellipsometermessungen verhält. Dort werden die vermeindlich falschen Drudeformeln eingesetzt um Schichtdicken und komplexe Brechungsindizes dünner Schichten zu bestimmen. Ich würde mich freuen von geplagten Experimentatoren etwas über die Unzulänglichkeiten der Drudetheorie zu erfahren. Diesbezüglich einen kleinen Einschub: Ich habe eine Rückmeldung bekommen, die die Übereinstimmung der Vakuumlayer mit dem Experiment bestätigt. Ich weiss auch aus meiner Studienzeit wo solche Experimente in einer Nachbargruppe durchgeführt wurden, daß nur komplizierte Mittelungsverfahren zu brauchbaren Meßauswertungen führten. Die Vakuumlayer scheint sich also als wahr herauszustellen. Sie ist direkt meßbar und einfach zu verstehen: Warum sollte sich an den Reflexionsformel was ändern wenn man zwei Platten im Vakuum zusammenschiebt. Warum nehme ich Vakumm ? Weil nur dann eine konvergente Theroie herauskommt. Noch ein Wort zur Permeabilität des Vakuums: Es handelt sich dabei um keine Materialkonstante wie es hier einige Physikstudenten hinterfragen. Nur die relative Permeabilität magnetischer Stoffe ist eine Materialkonstante, wenn keine Hysterese auftritt. Das cgs - system kommt ohne eine Permeabilität des Vakuums aus. Im MKSA - System ist sie 4 mal pi mal Zehnerpotenz ! Daran sieht man schon, daß es eine Definition ist. Schlußwort: Wie es Richard Feynman formulierte: Die Quantenmechanik bzw. Quantenelektrodynamik kommt am komplexen Brechungsindex nicht vorbei. Er ist existent und die Wellen richten sich danach. Man hat ihn nur noch nicht ganz verstanden. Beim Auftreten inhomogener Wellen (z.B. am Totalreflexionsprisma im Vakuum) gibt es Tunnelphänomene bei denen sich Lichtwellen oder Einzelphotonen mit neuen bislang theoretisch nicht verstandenen Eigenschaften bewegen (Überlichtgeschwindigkeitsphänomene, instantanes Hopping). Auch in der Metalloptik dünner Schichten treten Tunnelflüsse auf. Man kann sie berechnen. Allerdings ist der Tunnelfluß (dafür gibt es eine Formel) im Gegensatz zum Tunneln bei der Totalreflexion nur partiell, d.h. Es gibt auch reguläre nicht tunnelnde Anteile beim Hindurchtritt durch eine dünne absorptive Schicht. Ich nenne das partielles Tunneln. Auch haben immer wieder Experimentatoren auf Überlichtgeschwindigkeitsphänomene bei optischen Experimenten hingewiesen. Zumindest seit den Experimenten von Prof. Nimtz an der Uni Köln sind diese Leute rehabilitiert - und um es etwas schärfer zu formulieren: Ich hoffe, daß es künftig nicht anmaßend ist, den Begriff Überlichtgeschwindigkeit in den Mund zu nehmen. Die Spinlichtexperimente könnten die Grundlage für einen sehr reizvollen neuen Ast der Physik sein. Es gibt Evidenz daß auch hier die alten Maxwellgleichungen gültig sind. All diesen Theorien ist eines gemeinsam: Sie lassen sich im Rahmen der Maxwellschen Gleichungen zumindest teilweise verstehen. Dabei werden keine neuen Glieder (wie die früher diskutierten Magnetischen Monopole benötigt). Man muß die Lösungen wie oben beschrieben nur etwas anders bilden. Und eines muß man auch noch: An die Existenz des komplexen Brechungsindex glauben. Das tun nicht alle Physiker aber wohl gemerkt: Richard Feynman tat das. Das Einführen von finiten Vakuumlayern kommt den Theoretikern nahe, die die Welt als Einbettung von Eletronen und Protonen ins Vakuum begreifen. Spätestens seit den Nimtz - Experimenten ist gezeigt daß dieses Bild falsch ist. Es dürften dann nämlich keine Überlichtgeschwindigkeitsphänomene existieren. Auch bleiben alle Messungen an Schichtsystemen gültig, bei denen ohnehin ein Vakuumspalt zwischen den Schichten war. Die korrekte Auffassung scheint zu sein: Jede noch so kleine Änderung des Brechungsindex wirkt sich so aus, als ob es zwei Reflexionen gäbe, eine in die lokale Vakuumlayer und eine aus der Layer heraus. Mathematisch gilt das nur exakt an unendich ausgedehneten Platten und unendlich ausgedehnten Wellenfronten. Sobald man diese Einschränkung verläßt, gibt es inhomogene Beugung. Inhomogene Beugungsprinzipien sind äußerst kompliziert`und meiner Meinung nach wert, daß man sich mit ihnen beschäftigt. Es sind die 3 dimensionalen Lösungen der Maxwellgleichungen bei vorhandenem komplexen Brechungsindex. Eine Denksportaufgabe für gute Mathematiker, Physiker und Experimentatoren. Im Grenzfall homogener Kugelwellen und nicht komplexer Brechungsindizes müßte die Theorie das Huyghens´sche Prinzip ergeben. Für Diskussionsbeiträge stets dankbar aber bitte in netter Form Email: [Only registered users see links. ] Gruß Josef Matz The Nimtz Experiment (Overlightvelocities of the tunneling waves between two prisms when total reflection condition is fulfilled) has nothing to do with special relativity or even relativistic quantum mechanics. It is a general effect. It has to do with the possibilty of having complex field vectors in classical electrodynamics. It is an outcome of the full theory for the complex refraction index n. It is also outcome of the fact that light can travel with lower velocities than the velocity of light and light becomes absorbed when going through matter. It is the follow of the fact, that in matter fields are complex and the propagation vektor k is complex. If somebody of the quantummechanics guys has an better explanation, please tell me. It is an irony of history that it has not been found how the complex index works (the theory has no energyfluxes at all) and because one thought that Quantum mechanics will solve all problems this theory has been put aside. Sometimes you find in the books that the theory is fully ununderstandable and a reference to a book from 1939 Stratton. Fact is there exist no energy fluxes in Strattons theory but the theory might exist somwhere else. But i think this is not the case. I wanted to make my promotion in 1992 in this field. Therefore i know the outcome. I was not allowed to work on such an topic. The nimtz experiment is true and can be explained by the full theory of complex index. And in our books is a mistake while treating staples of different index. Thats the cause why no energy fluxes exist in this theory. Prof. Nimtz at the University of cologne and i assume many of his colleagues in the world measured microwaves to transmit the vacuum gap between two prisms with nearly infinite velocities when the total reflection condition is fulfilled. It tunnels between the two surfaces and hereby makes an instantaneous hop = nearly infinite velocity. Also a signal like mozart music can be repeatet and therfore signaling with nearly infinite velocities is possible. Sensation ! What are our present theories worth if they can´t predict and describe such a simple experiment ? I fear that something fundamental is wrong in what we call true physics. I propose Prof. Nimtz to get the noble price. [Only registered users see links. ] A last remark: I read that Nimtz tried to treat the results of his experiments in an official way. But the German Physical Society does not support this. Therefore he published his new book ( without formulas ! ) describing the effects. That is good, that a guy is defending his results against the stupid society of DPG. The theory of inhomogeneous waves delivers the Nimtz Experiment ! A new flux density in electrodynamics In some of my last essays i asked about an experiment i have seen in TV in germany. A american group of scientists presentet the spinnimg of a black wheel while radiation incident perpendicurar on the wheel. The wheel was sensitively mounted in a evacuatet glass tube. It was around 1991 or 92. I do not know the origin, but i want to say that this was a great experiment. It leads to a flux density which is electromagnetic origin. Except the energy flux density there exists another flux density in electrodynamics, i call it spin flux density. It has the direction of the energy flux. It differs by a factor 1/frequency from the energy flux density and it is built up by the difference of the circular split of a elliptic polarized wave. Note the energy density is the sum (not the difference) of both. This simple formula i found 1992 cause i was concerned with polarization calculations. I found the following rules that time: 1. The energy is propotional to the square of the two main axes of the ellipse. while the spin flux is proportional to the product of both. 2. 2002 i found that this flux density fulfills a conservation law for the normal component when you have a incident wave on a non absorptive macroscopic medium. Formulas similar to the Fresnel formulas. The reflection coefficient for example is the root of the product of the reflection coefficients for the perpendicular and parallel polarized part of the incident wave. The transmission coefficient is the root of the product of the Fresnel transmission coefficients times a simple factor. Reflection plus transmission coefficient equal 1 for these spin fluxes. 3. Linear polarized waves do not transport spin. 4. The flux is proportiobal to the vector product of E and E*, the complex conjungated field. If you assume the electric field to be real, this flux would not exist, because the vector product of the same real vector is zero ! The complex vectorproduct between E and E* is purely complex and therefore must be multiplied by the imaginary unit in order to get a real valued spinflux. This is the secret why the spin flux was not found and adpted in electromagnetic theory. 5. Thermal light - circular or elliptic polararized - which comes directly from a thermal source like a lamp or the sun - does not show spinning of the wheel. This symmetry i call the spin symmetry of classical electrodynamics. There exists a variety of possibilities to form spinwaves from thermally emitted waves: 1. Using a circular polarizer to strip of one of the two rotating fields in a thermal emitted wave (the rotation for both goes in opposite direction) 2. Linear polarize thermal emitted wave and then make a metal or total reflecion (then you get light which is elliptic polarized and having spin 3. I also found a literature note that thin magnetic layers on a substrate could have such an effect. I also thought upon thermodynamic machines an found following rules 1. You can not find polarizers in nature with can polarize thermal light linear or circular with more than 50% efficiency. Normally very much less than 50 % efficiency. 2. Energy which is transferred in form of a momentum to the body (the rotating black wheel) can not be transformed to thermal energy at the same time. 3. There are frequency dependent effects which limit radiation machines to efficiencies not far away from the efficiencies of solar cells. Spin effects can be used to directly transform radiation energy to mechanical energy. Best regards [Only registered users see links. ] Josef Matz Please excuse my english its not perfect. Answers to questions about Nimtz Read his essays on university cologne department physik nimtz or his new published book - Räume ohne Zeit - Vom Urknall zum Wurmloch - ISBN 3-527-40440-6 Misses Haibel is Co-autor and made the experiments on the double prism. She working today at the Hahn Meitner Institute in Berlin. Its really interesting but in my opinion the interpretation in his book is wrong. I found the experiment to be explained by the completed theory of complex refractive index. (with energy and spin sentances at each surface). The measurements were approved in other countries (see his article in Physik in unserer Zeit 1998) and articles on nimtz web page where it was also approved for single photon experiments by another guy. Nimtz still is at University Cologne and i think what he found is correct. I tried once to discuss with him and his people now two years ago but was not got an answer, probably because he gots plenty of asks. Best regards Josef Matz A comment to the third Nimtz arrangement: I don´t know if the third Nimtz arrangement was already measured ( the interference experiment ). The theory does not allow this effect. It is not convenient to mix up bandwith and material dispersion. Therefore this effect should not exist ! The biggest mistake in classical optics and its solution We consider a glass system with tree glass plates (all having weak neglectable absorption). All of these three glass plates shall have an different refraction index, that means non of these three indexes shall be equal. Now we put these three plates together and let light fall perpendicular onto the surface. We look into standard books like Max Born or other good optical books and find the solution for this problem or at least the way the sokutions are built. We get simple Formulas for the reflection and transmission coefficient, they belong to a Formula System containig Fresnels formulas or Drudes Formulas (if you have complex indices with absorption). But here we restrict to the above mentioned system of three glas plates with different real index. Now you can make the following: If you let the thickness of the middle glass plate go to zero. What happens: If you do this, the formulas for the system of the two outer glas plates is not the formula, you would get if you are doing the same process for the two outer glas plates. The formula where you let the thickness of the middle plate go to zero still contains the index of the middle plate when you let go thickness d to zero. This is a paradox which shows, that something on the theory is wrong. It is not a small mistake, it is a big error. The theory is wrong ! But what is wrong with this theory, i will answer it here. When i say you that it took me more than 20 years to find the simple error, then laugh ! Let us consider a third arrangement: We have our three glass tubes same as above but we separate them from each other. What we do: We separe them in vacuum ( Index 1 ). Now we make the following: We take for this also the Drude theory and then shift the plates ( in between the vacuum ) together. Now we have a second formula for three plate system which is different from the first which stands in the Books. This formula has one big advantage against that one in the books: If you now let the thickness d of the middle glass plate go to zero, then you get a solution where the index of the middle glass plate plays no roll any more ! And this formula you get ( the two plate formula) is identical with the solution you derive when you have a two plate system with a vaccum layer in between land let the thickness of the vacuum layer go to zero ! The soltions of this theory are fully self consistent ! Thats the biggest mistake of the old optics of layers at all. The old optics of layers is wrong, except you have exact vacuum between all plates. In this case the old theory is right. metal optics - an ununderstood chapter in optics becomes understandable : Everybody has concerned with formulas having a complex index of refraction. One of the best prooven theories is the incident wave on a homogeneous bulk metal. Intensity and polarization of the reflected wave - everything in well agreement with the theory. But what is with the energy fluxes within the bulk metal ? The books stop here. You get no answer or only qualitative answers in the books. No serious book in electrodynamics gives those formulas. All give references to very old literature. And also published new articles at top institutes just may write some formulas for the electric field very old stuff. Many theory professors doubt on this theory ! Thats so because the Flux density in the metal is somehow mysteric because very complicated. We just talk about bulk! material here (bulk = very thick material). One of the Discussions on these waves within the metal is going about the direction of propagation. There is the meaning that the direction of the real part of the propagation vektor k is the direction the wave propagates. This is wrong in general. It is only true for the H - Wave. The E - Wave propagates in another direction. (And for the H - Wave the direction is in direction of the real part of k only if the material is nonmagnetic). Thus what i want to say is: There exist energy flux formulas within the bulk which fulfill energy conservation. You get them if you treat the incident perpendicular and parallel polarised waves fully separately. That means in other words: If you add E and H Waves in your energy flux formula within the the metal, you get shit (Everything else than energy conservation !). If a elliptic wave falls in, it splits into two waves and you have to do the calcus for the perpendicular and parallel polarized part seperately - thats the rule to follow ! Light which is incident on a metal splits into two beams, the E - wave and the H - wave both propagating into two different directions ! Believe what the Maxwell Equations give you and just follow the one rule i gave you above. Thats it people ! Magnetdispersion My studies around the complex formulated elektrodynamic with complex refraction index have given a very top result. When one tries to find energy formulas in thin magnetic metal layers this is only possible inducing a magnetic dispersion principle which qualitatively looks as follows: The magnetic permeability is the sum of the permeability in vacuum and the product of the conjungatet dielectricity constant and a constant which does not depend on the frequency ( there is another factor i the imaginary unit and Omega = 2 pi times freuency) This is a surprising easy thing. The real part depends on imaginary part of the dielectric constant. Thats true because magnets are conductors. There also exists an magnetic induced absorption of energy - the imaginary part is dependant on the real part of the dielectric function and must be greater zero at all frequencies. The constant can be determind with the tabled dia - and peramagnetic coefficients and the conductivity value for direct current. Since the conductivity is positiv, the sign of that constant determines, weather a material is diamagnetic or peramagnetic. For these the constant must be small. If the constant is very big the magnetic field H is not any more strictly proporitonal to B, therefore the old known effect that ferromagnets have hysteresis comes out (not completely but at least qualitatively) ! The formula fulfills the Cramers - Kronig relations ! What i want to say here,is, that the cramerd cronig relations seam to be fulfilled for the invers 1/permeability. But up to now, this theory is not valid in classical physics ! The relation can be derived if one wants to have a theory with energy fluxes in magnetic material. But ist behaves otherwise than the old guys believed. When the constant is not zero the effect runs with mathemacial precition down to higher frequencies. Therefore also microwave and optical frequencies show magnetic induced effects and within magnets you have not only one index of refraction, you have two of them. If my english is not perfect, please excuse. Josef Matz [Only registered users see links. ] Die Formel für den Tunnelfluß Der Nimtzsche Energiefluß oder Tunnelfluß im Gap zwischen den zwei Prismen ist gebeben durch S = 1/2 (E x H´* + E* x H´ + E´ x H* + E´* x H) Dabei bedeutet * konjungiert komplex, x Kreuzprodukt zwischen den Vektoren und ´ ist die reflektierte Welle am zweiten Doppelprisma von Nimtz. Wie leicht zu erkennen ist, ist der Tunnelfluß konstant, da sich die exponentialfunktionen e^(-k2 z) und e^(k2 z) der einfallenden und reflektierten inhomogenen Welle genau zu 1 ergänzen wenn man multiliziert. Obwohl die beiden inhomogenen Wellen also exponentiell abfallende Flanken haben, ergibt sich für den Tunnelfluß was konstantes. Die Energieichte des Tunnelflußes im Gap zwischen den zwei Prismen ist gebeben durch w = 1/4 (E D´* + E* D´ + E´ D* + E´* D + B´H* + B´* H + BH´* + B* H´) Sie ist identisch Null im Falle des Nimtz Experimentes in einem Vakuumspalt zwischen den Prismen und im Falle von Luft fast Null (Im Falle von Luft ist die Formel aber nicht die Gruppenenergiedichte !). Im Falle von Vakuum ist diese Formel, die die Phasenenergiedichte darstellt, gleich der wirklichen Energiedichte oder Gruppenenergiedichte. Die Formel für den Spinfluß: L = i E x E* / w f w Kreisfrequenz, f Wellenwiderstand, L Spinfluß reellwertig, i imaginäre Einheit, E komplexwertiges elektrisches Feld Ein Leser schrieb: Bei Physicsweb war neulich was zu dem Thema. Indische Forscher haben mit zirkular polarisiertem Licht rote Blutkörperchen zum Rotieren gebracht: [Only registered users see links. ] Meine Antwort: Top ! Es scheint so zu sein, als ob es eine zweite Flußdichte in der Elektrodynamik gibt. Neben dem Energiefluß gibt es einen Spinfluß. Und die Formel steht in diesem Aufsatz. Wenn ich mich an meine Studienjahre erinnere, so wurde damals ein nobler Preis versprochen für denjenigen, der das Rätsel, warum die Elektrodynamik keine Drehimpulssymmetrie kennt, knackt. Das Rätsel wurde also in dieser Newsgroup das erste mal formelmäßig gelüftet. Ich bin mir sicher daß hieraus noch vieles folgern wird was ich heute noch gar nicht absehen kann. Es ist also so daß dies hier das erste mal formelmäßig veröffentlicht wurde. Ihr seht also daß es sich bei dieser Veröffentlichung um keinen Scherz handelt sondern um die Wahrheit. Ich habe übrigens keinen Job !!! Herzlichen Dank für die Referenz und Gruß - So macht Physik richtig Spaß !! Josef Matz A nice cooment and my reply: A reader wrote: Dear Josef Matz, I liked your discussion of optical layers. Although I don't know much about optics, it is clear that your intermediate layers, with K=1, that go to differentially small thickness is a very good physical picture. There is no such thing as a surface of a piece of optical material, just a place inside of which all the atoms of that piece remain. When two pieces are brought together their "surface atoms" come close, but there is still empty space (K=1) between them. Very nice picture, Roland Dishington My reply: Tank you for your nice comment, Roland I needed more than 20 years to find this simple answer to the question, why the theory of complex index has no energy fluxes. The new theory with the vacuum layer has energy formulas and the double prism experiment of nimtz can be fully understood in terms of this new theory. The result is the nimtz double prism experiment as he measures it explained with a local theory - the Maxwell equations - describing it ! Thanks for your nice answer Josef A further answer to a guy doubting the existence of overlight velocities: Nimtz selbst besteht darauf, daß seine Messungen Überlichtgeschwindigkeitsmessungen der Gruppengeschwindigkeit sind. Im Gap zwischen den Prismen ist Luft, dessen Eigenschaften denen des Vakuums sehr ähnlich sind. Daher wird das Überlichtgeschwindigkeitssignal das den Vakuumgap zwischen den Prismen passiert nicht verändert ( keine Dispersion im Gap ). In den Prismen selbst gibt es wohl Signalverformungen, aber diese kann Nimtz eliminieren, indem er die Prismen zusammenschiebt. Insgesamt kann das Signal einwanfrei detektiert werden. Ich habe daher keine Zweifel an dem Nimtzschen Interpretation, daß er Gruppen - Überlichtgeschwindigkeiten mißt. Im Gegenteil: Was er mißt kommt aus der vervollständigten Theorie des Brechungsindex heraus ! Darum geht es in einem Teil dieses von mir angebotenen Artikels. Gruß Josef Matz An additional comment to the meaning of the rule i gave you above (Superposition rule): The room of fields with a complex k - vektor is an imaginary vectorroom. A description of full three - dimensional problems should - in my opinion also be possible. In the case of real k - vektors you have two vectorial independant parts the perpendicular and the parallel polarized wave which are related to the normal vector n on the plane of incident. But you can also use any other vektor to describe your polarization with respect to. For example if your reflected wave falls onto another makroscopic surface, which is totally different oriented you need a transform of the wave from the one surface normal to the other. What is parallel polarized at the one surface might have also a perpendicular polarized component on the other surface. If you have multiple waves which you do want to to superpose, because they are overlapping, you first must transform them all to the same direction vektor before you add the fields and calculate the Pointing vector. Thats the symmetry with real k. If you have complex k - Vektors, you have in general cases two different directions for the real and imaginary part of k. Two directions are enough to describe everything, that means you do - in principle need no normal vector to describe your problem. On the other hand, the symmetry of real k has to come in in your solution. And the answer is: If you have many waves you want to overlap in a 3D situation with komplex k - vectors, you need a rule how to calculate the fiels as a sum of several fields. And as far as i know it presently this looks so in general: Calculate all E Waves and calculte one flux - the sum of all E - Waves and do the same with all H - Waves and then add these two fluxes. The outcome of this rule in the easy case of a simple bulk material is the rule i gave you. It is the superposition theorem for E - Waves and H - Waves in full 3D Cases. I do not tell you here explicit, how E - Waves and H - Waves are described in 3D Cases. In the moment thats my secret, because its not treated up to the final. Josef And some comments to readers which misunderstand whats going on: In a prism light speed is approximately c/n with n = 1.5 depending a little on the frequency because of dispersion. When n becomes complex, i.e. when a big absorption occurs, the formulas one can derive from the makroskopic maxwell equations indicate that there are no limits for the light speed in certain cases. But it is probable that in the upmost cases these speeds are smaller than luminal. When light is total reflected at a surface to the vacuum the speed of light of the reflected wave is c/n. But when you near a second prism, light tunnels between the two prisms while in the glass the velocity is c/n and therefore smaller than luminal. In the gap between the two prism the light speed is infinte ! The waves in the gap which have this funny property are not normal waves. They have a complex propagation vektor k = k1 + i k2 and k2 leading to an exponential falling amplitude in the vaccum between the two prisms. If you read the lectures of Feynman on QED you know that the theory of complex index still leaves open questions. And Feynman said also, that light can have all !!!! velocities. This realizes in the case of tolal reflection to infinite light speeds in the gap between the prisms. There exist formulas for this. The effect is experimental approved by Nimtz and Haibel at the University colonge. Mrs. Haibel now at the HMI Berlin. Also other groups confirmed the effect. The Wang experiment for example for single photons. The completed theory of index exactly gives these measured results. Light therfore travells in the index world with own new properties like for example infinite velocities (instantaneaous hopping). Therefore the index world is not just an illusion as many theoreticals believe. This hopping can not be described in term of any microscopic theory !!!! Thanks Josef Matz Discusion about Snell-Descartes-Harriot Law in complex form. So you are right with your questions and the answer is not trivial. The answer is: you can wirite n1 sin Theta1 = n2 sin Theta2 = 1 sin Theta where Theta is the incident wave in Vakuum. So you can write n1 sin Theta1 = sin Theta and n2 sin Theta2 = sin Theta Theta is the real incident angle. Theta1 and Theta2 are complex angles. Their meaning is not an angle like Theta. It is just a formal analogy. But it is right. This you can circumvent if you make vectorial approaches. This vectors have interpretable meanings. But representing the reflection coefficient by assuming formal relations like these described you have to take care. Two solutions with physical meaning for Theta1 and the same for Theta2 possible. You have to take the right one ! The right solution can be selected by the task that the energy flux has to flow away from the surfaces. But Drudes theory does not know such energy flux formulas. Only shit comes out ! The second problem you have is that if you use your approach, that means you assume the two absorptive coatings to be in contact like in Drudes Theory, you obtain a solution, where the thickness of the intermediant layer plays a role. But Drudes solutions have the unnice property, that the index of the intermediant layer remains in your reflection formula when you let go the thickness d of the layer to zero. A zero layer is still active and influences yor solution !!! Formerly one assumed that the index of absorptive layers is thickness dependant when the layer becomes too thin. Tables for thin metallic layers you can find in Landolt Bernstein chapters complex index of metals - nice tablework. What they did: They used a wrong formula and now postlated that the index is thickness dependent. This is the present official view of the things. The mistake they made: The measurement was not in agreement with theory and from that they concluded that the index is thickness dependant. They did not think about that the theory is wrong ! Now: A refraction index can be dependant on the composite of the medium and therefore also from lokation. But is can not be thickness dependant !!!!! The solution of this problem is described in an article of me in this newsgroup and soon will come again. The principle: You form new soltions that way that you seperate your intermallic layers a little in thoughts and let flow vacuum in between you metal layers (remark: same for non aborptive layers like staples of glass plates with different index). Now you apply Drudes theory ( - make yor reflection and transmission formula) and then you let the thickness of this vacuum layers again go to zero. You now have the right theory where energy fluxes can be defined. And the new formula you get needs not any more measured data for the thickness dependent index. The indermediant layer vanishes fully if you now vary the thickness of intermediant layers to zero. The main benefit: You only need index properties of the bulk ( = very thick substances ). The interference pattern is decribed correctly and compatible with resistance theories. A comment on the energy fluxes: Light refracted into a metal splits into two beams, The E wave and H wave have different diections of propagation. In a coating you have this two waves and their two reflected waves. In addition you have two tunnel waves with a constant amplitude passing the coating normal to the surface. I call this two a E tunnel wave und a H tunnel wave. On each surface you have energy conservation laws since absorption takes only place at a distance. (The fields are the same than for the E and H wave, but the tunnel flux is calculated like discussed above). Try this and approve it ----- it is true !!!!! Josef If you have questions, ask them. I am willing to answer them. If you plan experiments, i would like to support you. [Only registered users see links. ] |
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