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Old 02-14-2004, 01:16 AM
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i have a question
if exhaust regulation for SO2 is specified at x g/sm3 (say x=0.3)
does it mean that the flow rate should be x g/s ?
OR
does it mean that the average density per hour or per day or per month
is x g/m3

see, we are using the exhuast from a 5 MW diesel engine in a boiler to
generate some steam from a waste heat boiler. but this will cause a
temperature drop in the exhaust stack, which we are worried about.

i am not sure about the enviromental regulation parameters and how
they work.

the temperature drop will cause the exhaust leaving the stack to be at
a higher density (ppm will increase but the mass flow rate (g/s) will
be the same - the same amount of SO2 and NO2 will be released to the
atmosphere with the boiler installed).

thank you
shehal
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Old 02-14-2004, 01:34 AM
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"shehal" <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message
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Give a call to the regulatory agency that issued this shit!
Let them explain it to you, or you'll never get anywhere.

If these green shits can't even adhere to international standard
nomenclature conventions where (s) stands for seconds
and make up the own green shit and decide that (s) suddenly
stands for standard..... then m3 might not even mean m^3 (cubed)
...............ahahahahaha........
This is so typical of these green assholes with their "environmental"
""science"" which of course is to be expected as it flows out of the
green brain of the icons, idols and role models of environmentalism
who decreed that

***** start: Creative Quotes from environmental leaders *****

"If you don't know an answer, a fact, a statistic, then .... make it
up on the spot ... for the mass-media today ... the truth is irrelevant."
-- Paul Watson in Earthforce: An Earth Warrior's Guide to Strategy.

"We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic
statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have.
Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being
effective and being honest."
- Stephen Schneider (Stanford professor who first sought fame as
a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)

"It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what
people believe is true ... You are what the media define you to be.
Greenpeace became a myth, and a myth-generating machine."
-- Paul Watson, co/founder of Greenpeace and Sea Shepard

"A lot of environmental messages are simply not accurate. But
that's the way we sell messages in this society. We use hype."
-- Dr. Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, Univ.of Washington

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no
scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect."
-- Richard Benedict, an employee for the State Department working
on assignment for the Conservation Foundation

"We already have too much economic growth in the United States.
Economic growth in rich countries like ours is the disease, not the cure."
-- Paul Elrich, Stanford U biologist and Advisor to Vice President Gore

"We in the Green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which
the killing of a forest will be considered more contemptible and more
criminal than the sale of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels."
-- Carl Amery, Green Party of West Germany

"I got the impression that instead of going out to shoot birds,
I should go out and shoot the kids who shoot birds."
-- Paul Watson, founder of Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd

-----***** end: Quotes from environmental leaders *****-----

Nowadays the enviros certainly do have problems,
a) because the people caught onto their game of green turdry, that

=== Environmentalism is just a despicable, evil money (green) game, ===
=== without any redeeming value, nor any intent to save anything. This ==
=== scam has come to an end. Now, all the green shits are whining... ===

Why should anyone be surprised? The green movement was always
and exclusively a machination and a cover to get grants, permit charges
& user fees for the green shits, be they consultants, activists or regulators.

....to boot, "environment" was not mentioned at all in Bush's 2004 State
of the Union, and NEITHER was there any mention of it in the rebuttals
by the democrats.

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Old 02-14-2004, 02:56 AM
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Dear shehal:

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I suggest you post the *exact* wording, or link to the wording. The
context may be critical.

David A. Smith


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Old 02-14-2004, 03:01 AM
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Dear hanson:

"hanson" <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message
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Notwithstanding your rant, the output of an ozone generator is commonly
measured in g/Sm^3 (or percent weight). Occasionally, some ozone monitors
display g/Nm^3, others mg/SL, and so on.

David A. Smith


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Old 02-14-2004, 05:16 AM
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"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" <N: dlzc1 D:cox T:[Only registered users see links. ]>
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[hanson]
Smitty, this is not the first time that I've read you arguing for green
causes. You are a suspect now.........ahahahahaha........ahahaha...
Smitty, you by referring to and accepting terms as "commonly" and
even "occasionally" you have become an **enabler of green turdsim.**

Either we do *science* and/or *technology* in environmentalism and
adhere to and follow heuristically accepted standards/nomenclatures and
definitions of these disciplines, such as the SI system (perhaps MKS or
even cgs)..... OR.....
we engage in enviro turdism with loose freewheeling "commonly"'s
and "occasionally"'s and retain environmentalism's current pitiful status of
incredibility and disbeliefability which is based on the MO and policies
advocated by its icon, idols and role models who said:

***** start: Quotes from environmental leaders *****

"If you don't know an answer, a fact, a statistic, then .... make it
up on the spot ... for the mass-media today ... the truth is irrelevant."
-- Paul Watson in Earthforce: An Earth Warrior's Guide to Strategy.

"We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic
statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have.
Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being
effective and being honest."
- Stephen Schneider (Stanford professor who first sought fame as
a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)

"It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what
people believe is true ... You are what the media define you to be.
Greenpeace became a myth, and a myth-generating machine."
-- Paul Watson, co/founder of Greenpeace and Sea Shepard

"A lot of environmental messages are simply not accurate. But
that's the way we sell messages in this society. We use hype."
-- Dr. Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, Univ.of Washington

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no
scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect."
-- Richard Benedict, an employee for the State Department working
on assignment for the Conservation Foundation

"We already have too much economic growth in the United States.
Economic growth in rich countries like ours is the disease, not the cure."
-- Paul Elrich, Stanford U biologist and Advisor to Vice President Gore

"We in the Green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which
the killing of a forest will be considered more contemptible and more
criminal than the sale of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels."
-- Carl Amery, Green Party of West Germany

"I got the impression that instead of going out to shoot birds,
I should go out and shoot the kids who shoot birds."
-- Paul Watson, founder of Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd

-----***** end: Quotes from environmental leaders *****-----

.......and all that led to, that .....
Nowadays the enviros certainly do have problems,
a) because the people caught onto their game of green turdry, that

=== Environmentalism is just a despicable, evil money (green) game, ===
=== without any redeeming value, nor any intent to save anything. This ==
=== scam has come to an end. Now, all the green shits are whining... ===

Why should anyone be surprised? The green movement was always
and exclusively a machination and a cover to get grants, permit charges
& user fees for the green shits, be they consultants, activists or regulators.

....to boot, "environment" was not mentioned at all in Bush's 2004 State
of the Union, and NEITHER was there any mention of it in the rebuttals
by the democrats.

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Old 02-14-2004, 04:22 PM
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Dear hanson:

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Do not "suspect". Know that I sell ozone-applying equipment to those that
consume waste materials, remove color and odor from detergent, flocculate
iron and manganese (and hence arsenic), and disinfect water.

I've even fielded calls from a Major Tubine Engine Manufacturer where a new
engineer wanted to buy an ozone generator to rebuild the ozone layer "while
they were up there". Of course if they weren't up there there would be
more oxygen to make ozone with...


I thought so too.


It is the language of my industry and the industry I serve. By the way "s"
is seconds, but "S" is siemens (and sulfur). Just to add to the confusion.
It requires context, like with anything else, to infer meaning.

of

As long as the definitions are available, and clear, there should be no
problem. The OP did not capitalize the "s", but otherwise the pattern of
the units was familiar to me. Since there is a possibility that he/she was
not aware of the significance, I asked for the exact text. We'll see if
he/she can provide it, so we can help, or if you "trolled" him/her away.

You really need a less complex signature line.

David A. Smith


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Old 02-14-2004, 05:41 PM
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Long answer short, it depends on the regulation. The national standard for
10 mmBTU/hr and greater boilers (indirect heat exchangers) is based on the
heat input. It may not be the best basis, there are heat recovery devices
where it can get a bit hairy. and the latest proposed national MACT standard
for mercury rather correctly is based on MW generated, so that efficiency is
promoted.

Luckily, if its really a strange device, there is a process for filing a
variance for a "square peg in a round regulation" world. I'll email you my
other address and I'll be happy to do more specifics for the federal and any
state regs that might be questionable.

One of the interesting joys of working in the field that I do, is I am
exposed to one industrial sector one day, and another the next. While my
classical training in ChemE tells me what the proper units are for
expressing work, energy, etc; you quickly learn that each industrial sector
seems to have their own unique conventions. Very few, outside of
pharmaceutical use the metric units. There was a multi-million dollar
boo-boo a few years ago when a pulp and paper bunch were putting in a
co-generation device. The EGU and the P&P engineers had a little trouble
communicating, and it was not a cheap mistake to fix.

Oh, my best guess is that the standard will be at a regulatory STP, its the
old Standard Engineering convention in our regulations , and might be metric
STP in the federal. All results will normally be required to be corrected
to 3% oxygen, because the "Solution to pollution is not dilution"

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Old 02-15-2004, 03:42 PM
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[Smitty]
[hanson]
Ok, ok, ok, Smitty..ahahahaha....you are not a suspect any longer,
since by your unrequested CV you have altered your status to be
an exploited soul of and by green turdism. Do you know how the
green reg bastards use and capitalize of your noble work, infecting
your efforts at many stages with additional permit costs and user fees?

What is so galling is that when your customers buy, pay and use your
equipment to remove pollution, which is a good thing, then the green
turd regulators classify your customer as a "waste handler", now an
"account that treats waste" and therefore has to pay them ADDITIONAL
permit charges and use fees......instead of giving him a clean bill of health
and leave him alone......Hell, the green shits even charge you permit
fees for processes and equipment that does NOT emit ANY pollutants
at all...... but, it MAY have the POTENTIAL to do so, ....that's why $$$$.
--- Actually, I should sic the regulators on you to charge you for your
pollution reducing/abating O3 generators too, because it does have
the POTENTIAL to generate tropospheric ozone emissions which are
regulated. Or have they caught you in their green extortion scam net
already Smitty? Doesn't such green shit bug you, Smitty?

[Smitty]
[hanson]
[Smitty]
[hanson]
ahahahaha........ahahaha..... this was a good one, Smitty
.............ahahahaha......ahahaha.......

[Smitty]
[hanson]
See that "help"-type is an attitude which the green shits have
promulgated very successfully . It's shameless conflict of interests.
1st they write lousy & confusing regulations (purposely or by stupidity)
and then they collect permit charges and user fees for it.
Next, they go moon-lighting and collect "environmental consulting fees"
to explain to the manufacturer/victim the meaning of their regulations.
The OP of this post is a candidate/example for just such a case.
(It used to be THE big ambition of any enviro regulator to go into
industry to make the big buck as a consultant, ....on the side!)

In all these machinations, as you can see, Smitty, the green truds
have not done one single thing to reduce pollution. These ****s
simple threaten you to do something, charge you for it, and then
when you do it, they charge you (the manufacturer/producer)
again. In the next step they **** you for the third time when
you get the residual waste off your property, and then again...
.....and again..........AND most of you little consumer idiots do
not even know all that, and much less do you know that YOU pay
for it in higher prices.......and that the situation, because of these
regulatory extortions, has become so bad that more and more
manufacturers (directly or indirectly affected) are going for
------------------- OUT SOURCING -----------------
because of these endless multiple extortions by enviro agencies.

So, Smitty when your customers do slowly disappear you must
thank the green shits. Or you may go also to China or India to
have your O3 generators made their....ahahahahahaha........
But then, if this green shit initiated downward spiral continues, it'll
be not too far off when there will be no new customers for you
any longer.......can't you see the hand writing on the wall?

BTW: A few years back I gave you a lead for some outfit
in India that needed O3 generators to clean/disinfect
Horse racing track equipment, like underwater treadmills.
Did you ever follow up on it?

[Smitty]

[hanson]
Sorry, Smityy, I didn't mean to drive a potential customer away.

[Smitty]

[hanson]
I don't understand your final comment here, unless for some
reason you don't think that the gospel for green turds,
written by green turds, should not be posted. -- I don't see
why THEIR own green commandments should not be
promulgated and very widely known. -- After all, it was these
green shit commandments that made for the original wave of
head green turds $$millions!....Millions for each one of them.
So, here's their advice of how to make green money:

***** start: Quotes from environmental leaders *****

"If you don't know an answer, a fact, a statistic, then .... make it
up on the spot ... for the mass-media today ... the truth is irrelevant."
-- Paul Watson in Earthforce: An Earth Warrior's Guide to Strategy.

"We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic
statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have.
Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being
effective and being honest."
- Stephen Schneider (Stanford professor who first sought fame as
a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)

"It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what
people believe is true ... You are what the media define you to be.
Greenpeace became a myth, and a myth-generating machine."
-- Paul Watson, co/founder of Greenpeace and Sea Shepard

"A lot of environmental messages are simply not accurate. But
that's the way we sell messages in this society. We use hype."
-- Dr. Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, Univ.of Washington

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no
scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect."
-- Richard Benedict, an employee for the State Department working
on assignment for the Conservation Foundation

"We already have too much economic growth in the United States.
Economic growth in rich countries like ours is the disease, not the cure."
-- Paul Elrich, Stanford U biologist and Advisor to Vice President Gore

"We in the Green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which
the killing of a forest will be considered more contemptible and more
criminal than the sale of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels."
-- Carl Amery, Green Party of West Germany

"I got the impression that instead of going out to shoot birds,
I should go out and shoot the kids who shoot birds."
-- Paul Watson, founder of Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd

-----***** end: Quotes from environmental leaders *****-----

.......all that led to however by now that the enviros do have problems,
a) because the people caught onto their game of green turdism, that

=== Environmentalism is just a despicable, evil money (green) game, ===
=== without any redeeming value, nor any intent to save anything. This ==
=== scam has come to an end. Now, all the green shits are whining... ===

Why should anyone be surprised? The green movement was always
and exclusively a machination and a cover to get grants, permit charges
& user fees for the green shits, be they consultants, activists or regulators.

....to boot, "environment" was not mentioned at all in Bush's 2004 State
of the Union, and NEITHER was there any mention of it in the rebuttals
by the democrats.

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Old 02-15-2004, 04:42 PM
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Dear hanson:

"hanson" <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message
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$$$$.

The only one that is bugging me right now, is regulations against "bromate"
et al. The toxic effects cited apply equally to bromine and
potassium/sodium, and the carcinogenic effects apply only to potassium. A
political decision was made based on testing of potassium bromate that all
bromates are carcinogenic. Yet even negative results on sodium bromate
does not alter the EPA's stance, so everyone else runs in lockstep with the
senseless.

....

I don't recall the lead, but we contact the ozone into water. We don't
supply ozone equipment unless it is being used in water (primarily). And
if you spray ozone-containing water around, it will equilibrate with the
air, and OSHA comes into play.

There is a lot of concentration on runoff from dairies getting into
waterways. A lot of attention is being paid (as legal deadlines approach)
on handling the contaminants those animals produce. There are a lot of
drawbacks to keeping "pure concentrated evil" in one place like that.

Ozone is not the answer to either of these problems, I'm sorry to say.
Ozone generation is not cheap, so filtration is required to reduce ozone
demand. At some point, nature colonizes the filter media, and ozone is
usually ony required as some level of insurance. Since they don't care for
insurance, ozone is left off. Or chlorine is dumped in indescriminantly.


They come here for help/advice. I avoid trying to sell my equipment here.
There is little enough I can offer to help anyone who comes here, except
ask them for more information when they are met with what appears to be
misunderstanding.


I understand your intent. Once I get away from your words, into someone
else's, it becomes a signature line. Like an end of packet marker. "All
the intelligible information was before here".

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