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George B. 01-28-2004 06:22 PM

NIZKOR Lies about Toxicity of Diesel Exhaust Gas
 
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NIZKOR Lies about Toxicity of Diesel Exhaust Gas

Some comments to "The Toxicity of Fumes from a Diesel Engine under
Four Different Running Conditions"

by Friedrich Paul Berg

Of the hundreds of essays from technical and medical journals that I
have cited over the last twenty years to refute the Holocaust hoax,
the linked essay by Pattle et al. is, by far, the most important.
Please see my most recent discussion in Dissecting the Holocaust
(2003). According to Holocaust mythology, most Nazi gassings were
committed with Diesel exhaust in approximately half-an-hour, or even
less. The essay by Pattle and four other researchers in Britain in the
mid-1950's is the only known inhalation study ever on living animals
in which the diesel exhaust exposures consisted of full-strength
diesel exhaust and continued until the animals either expired from the
exposures, or until five hours had elapsed.

My first essay on this subject—"The Diesel Gas Chambers: Myth Within a
Myth" (1984) was a highly theoretical analysis of the likely morbidity
from diesel exhaust based on the well-established toxicity of carbon
monoxide and reduced oxygen. A theoretical analysis in which all
possible toxins in the exhaust could be considered seemed far too
complex to have any real meaning. That shortcoming was answered,
however, when the Pattle study was brought to my attention years
later—and, it confirms everything I had written earlier about the
inherent absurdity of diesel exhaust as a lethal agent for killing
Jews or anyone else. But, it even shows that my earlier conclusions
were actually quite conservative; the necessary conditions that one
would have had to impose on any diesel to commit mass murder are even
more preposterous than I had previously imagined.

The Pattle essay is thorough, rigorous and clear enough for all who
are willing to read it carefully and honestly. There has never been
any challenge to its findings either. Nonetheless, there are those who
flagrantly misuse the Pattle essay and even claim, for example, that:
"In all cases, the animals died." This blatant lie is spread primarily
by one pro-Semitic organization called NIZKOR. See for example the
internet essay entitled: "The Leuchter Report: Fumes from a diesel
engine are not toxic enough to kill people." But there are many other
websites and organizations which simply repeat essentially the exact
same NIZKOR text and lie, even in German. Even more outrageous is the
fact that such false propaganda is readily accessible in Germany and
is even recommended by official organizations such as IDGR—but the
refutation of the NIZKOR lie, including this essay, are suppressed by
German law and severe German internet restrictions on access
providers.

The reader should confirm for himself that according to Table 1,
Column A of Pattle at al., all of the animals survived five hours of
continuous exposure to the diesel exhaust from an engine running at
idle, and even continued to survive for another 7 days after being
removed from the gas chamber. See page 50 of the linked essay.

The reader can also confirm for himself, that in the most lethal of
the tests, D1, all of the animals were indeed dead within the five
hour test period—but, the text on page 49 also states: "After one
hour's exposure in D1 (0,22% CO), all except three of the 20 mice were
dead. All the rabbits and guinea pigs were alive. After 3 hr. 20 min.
all the animals were dead and the experiment was stopped." [emphasis
added] But even this was only achieved with an exposure time more than
six times as long as Gerstein and others have claimed for the alleged
homicidal Nazi diesel gas chambers. In other words, for exposures of
half-an-hour or less, hardly any animals die even under condition D1
and D2 which simulated an extreme loaded condition on the engine.
Clearly, NIZKOR and especially a (Dr.?) Daniel Keren are scurrilous
liars but their lie will, no doubt, persist indefinitely because it is
an "essential lie" or prop for the Holocaust hoax.

Surely, the Pattle et al. essay must be banned in Germany as soon as
possible just as literature based on direct observations of the moons
orbiting Jupiter were banned by the Catholic Church. Pattle et al.
must be completely wrong in their conclusions since the Holocaust
claims are legally established and binding on us all. If Pattle,
Stretch, Burgess, Sinclair and/or Edginton are still alive, they must
all publicly apologize for their shameful experimental tests on living
animals and admit their errors. And most important of all, Pattle et
al. must publicly humiliate themselves for having unwittingly, or
wittingly, given such superlative aid and affirmation to the holocaust
deniers.


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Ken McVay, OBC 01-28-2004 07:00 PM

Friedrich Berg's a charlatan.
 

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Barney Fife 01-28-2004 09:06 PM

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On 28 Jan 2004 10:22:58 -0800, <[Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] >
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Nizkor also lies about its funding!

--Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He Denies
Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund?--
NEWER UPDATED VERSION:
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Subject: UPDATED The Nizkor Project Director is Lying About Funds He Has NOT
Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report for 2002 Is Further Proof! R_1122
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AKA "Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"
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Roger 01-28-2004 09:13 PM

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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
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Like you lie about the $10k, blubberbury?

Patrick Keenan 01-28-2004 09:41 PM

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"Barney Fife" <barney_fife@mayberry01net> wrote in message
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Neither the CCRA or the IRS agree with you, and they're in much better
positions to know.

But speaking of lying about funding, are you ready to prove that you have
the $10,000 that's the essential part of the "$10,000 Challenge" you've
made?

You know that your "Challenge" has been accepted contingent on your proving
you have the money.

So, do you have it? Yes, or no? It's a simple question and simple answer.

-pk



Rex B 01-28-2004 10:53 PM

NIZKOR Lies about Toxicity of Diesel Exhaust Gas
 
|>Some comments to "The Toxicity of Fumes from a Diesel Engine under
|>Four Different Running Conditions"
|>
|>by Friedrich Paul Berg
|>
|>Of the hundreds of essays from technical and medical journals that I
|>have cited over the last twenty years to refute the Holocaust hoax,
|>the linked essay by Pattle et al. is, by far, the most important.
|>Please see my most recent discussion in Dissecting the Holocaust
|>(2003). According to Holocaust mythology, most Nazi gassings were
|>committed with Diesel exhaust in approximately half-an-hour, or even
|>less.

Actually, the Nazis used diesels which had been modified by some of the top
German scientists of the day. After the war, those scientists were brought to
the US with others, most notable of whom was von Braun. Those same scinetists
later become the backbone of the EPA, and have blessed civilization with things
like Oxygenated Fuel and variable venturi carbuetors.
Rex in Fort Worth

Sergey Romanov 01-28-2004 11:00 PM

Friedrich Berg's a charlatan.
 
"Ken McVay, OBC" <[Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]> wrote in message news:<[Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]>...

Mike Stein says:

"Did you know... that only one of the 'Operation Reinhard' death camps
may have used a diesel engine? (At Belzec and Sobibor, petrol engines
were used.)"

So, what about Pfannenstiel's and Gerstein's testimony? Were they
wrong about Diesel engine in Belzec?

Ken McVay, OBC 01-29-2004 12:19 AM

Friedrich Berg's a charlatan.
 
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According to Yad Vashem, the Belzed site used "ordinary, universally
available gasoline and diesel fuel," so there isn't a clear-cut answer just
yet. See [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]. The
same document tells us, however, that "Bottled carbon monoxide was used for
these experiments. However, a short while later the gassings were carried
out with carbon monoxide from the exhaust fumes a of motorcar engine. The
engine from an armored vehicle ("250 h.p.") was installed in a shed outside
the gas chamber, whence the gas was piped into the gas chamber.."

In the case of Sobibor, we have eyewitness testimony that a petrol engine
was used, putting the lie to Berg's claim that diesel was used in all three
Aktion Reinhard camps:

"Upon completion of the construction work, extermination tests were
conducted in mid-April 1942. Wirth came to Sobibor in order to follow the
experiments. He was accompanied by a chemist whose pseudonym was Dr.
Blaurock (or Blaubacke). SS-Unterscharführer Erich Fuchs, who served in
Belzec, described the preparations for the first gassing trials: On Wirth's
instructions I travel led by truck to Lvov and collected a gassing engine
there, which I transported to Sobibor. In Sobibor... [we] unloaded the
engine. It was a heavy Russian gasoline engine [probably a tank or train
engine] with at least 200 h.p. [V-enginel 8 cylinders, water cooled]. We
stood the engine on a concrete base and connected the exhaust to the pipe
conduit. Then I tried out the engine. To begin with, it did not function. I
managed to repair the ignition and the ventils so that the motor finally
started."

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In the Treblinka camp, the research tells us that "During the first stage,
three gas chambers were in operation, each of them, much like those in
Sobibor,4 x 4 m. in size and 2.6 m. high. A diesel engine producing
poisonous carbon monoxide, as well as a generator which supplied the whole
camp with electricity, were housed in a built-on room."

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Gassen Burnham 01-29-2004 11:57 AM

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Roger <roger@ . > wrote in message news:<d2aef6a75d7b78d161daaaf4dbe6cf4a@news.terane ws.com>...

And exactly what has this to do with the holohoax, Fart Breath?

bob 01-29-2004 06:05 PM

NIZKOR Lies about Toxicity of Diesel Exhaust Gas
 
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Hmm, it seems computer nazis really is fitting term for our IS folks.
I tried the nizkor.org site and found that it was one of sites banned
by our sysadmin.


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