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Old 12-20-2003, 07:00 AM
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Is cyanide the fastest poison? And how does cyanide kill.

General Question: is there a poison that kills faster than the amount
of time to die from drowning or choking 3 to 4 minutes. Is there a
poison that works faster than the shutoff of oxygen to the body.
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Old 12-20-2003, 05:59 PM
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Cyanide is preferred by hemogloblin, (as is Carbon monoxide to a lesser
degree). Once bound, it is not released and your blood can no longer
transport oxygen to cells. The Central Nervous System will die quicker than
most of the other tissues, so death is rather quick.

It also possible to have a lesser dose, some strange mechanisms there.

Any of the so called nerve agents would kill quicker. They work by
disrupting the enyeme that breaks down the neurotransmitter, so if you
define death as the heart stopping, it would be quicker by a number of
minutes as opposed to a person breathing pure CO. Much more painful though.
Killed some cats once with a acetylcholinsaterase disrupter once, not a
pleasant memory.


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Tarka at
these
solvent)
lesions.


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Old 12-21-2003, 01:47 AM
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An addendum to the above......How to "unpoison Heavy Metals":
Having recognized that Me does damage via "fixing down/blocking
the activity" of the active SH groups, the strategy for undoing the
damage was to find a nontoxic chemical that has a greater affinity
to Me then the cystin/cystein bonds, and hence restore the Me
inactivated Ciste/in sites. There are several Me-detoxers in current
medical use for detox therapy, R-SH compounds, like HS-CH2-COOH.
There are also Me-Chelators like or similar to the well know EDTA
in use. All have a greater Kp for Me than do have the cysteins .


You answered your own question. Cyanide kills (amongst other factors)
essentially by choking you and giving you a massive stroke. The cyanide
that reaches the hemoglobin reacts with the central iron atom and
forms a stable Hemo-Fe-Cyanide. This type of compound does not let
the iron bounce back and forth in its ligand case any longer and hence
stops the molecule from transporting and exchanging O2. We now have
conditions for oxygen deprivation which leads to a system shut down
cascade that results in terminal hypoxia. One of the early consequences
of this CN poisoning event is platelet agglomeration of the red blood cells
which ensues to the point of blocking capillaries. Now, we have condition
#2 suitable for kicking the bucket,..... by stroke.

If caught quickly, real fast, after intake ( and the dosage CN is NOT over-
whelming the system no matter what, and is caused mainly by HCN and
not by caustic Alkali cyanides) then giving/rescuing the victim with a
massive Amyl nitrite (C5H11-O-N=O) rush by inhalation, will enlarge
the blood vessels greatly, to the extent that blood flow at low BP is
maintainable to the point such that kicking the bucket may be avoidable.

Workers in industries that use Cyanide always had Amy ready in their first
aid kits. But then came the green shits with their regulations and made it
illegal to have Amy. It was more important to the enviros to have regulations
for which they could charge regulatory fees, instead of letting the productive
workers protect their lives. Green shits are endangering your life!!
--- **** green shits! The cocksucken enviros never saved anything! ----
hanson

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Old 12-21-2003, 01:57 AM
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solvent)
lesions.
cells
over-
regulations
productive
life!!

Please get your fact correct before lying. There are no "environemental"
regulations agains Amyl nitrite. Such things are covered by the medical
community, and I suppose what they would say is that such things in the
hands of an lay person is more dangerous than not having one. This is not
an OSHA matter, its not an EPA matter. So, restrict your rants to
truth...,,. well I suppose you couldn't rant them, could you.


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Old 12-21-2003, 03:45 AM
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AHAhahahah...FANTASTIC! Teel Adams knew right away what
green shits were.....ahahahahaha.....it's telling...ahahahaha.....
Green shits don't know what lying is, because they are THE LIE!

But habitually, Teel Adams, the "Midwestern regulatory type" and
Native American activist is doling out stupid green shit orders to
the productive segment of society, to the one that pays his salary!
Shame on you! **** you for defending and promoting green turdry.
I have no intensions to discuss nor debate anything with green turds!
I have no intension to be nice with nor forgiving to any enviro turd!
I have all intensions to throw shit at them, just like they do, but
magnified and multiplied. ---- Enviros are enablers for terrorism!
ahahahaha.......ahahahanson

=== Environmentalism is just a despicable, evil money (green) game, ===
=== without any redeeming value, nor any intent to save anything. This ==-
=== scam has come to an end. Now, all the green shits are whining... ===

-----***** start: Quotes from environmental leaders *****-----

"If you don't know an answer, a fact, a statistic, then .... make it
up on the spot ... for the mass-media today ... the truth is irrelevant."
-- Paul Watson in Earthforce: An Earth Warrior's Guide to Strategy.

"A lot of environmental messages are simply not accurate. But
that's the way we sell messages in this society. We use hype."
-- Dr. Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, Univ.of Washington

"We already have too much economic growth in the United States.
Economic growth in rich countries like ours is the disease, not the cure."
-- Paul Elrich, Stanford U biologist and Advisor to Vice President Gore

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no
scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect."
-- Richard Benedict, an employee for the State Department working
on assignment for the Conservation Foundation

"We in the Green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which
the killing of a forest will be considered more contemptible and more
criminal than the sale of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels."
-- Carl Amery, Green Party of West Germany

"I got the impression that instead of going out to shoot birds,
I should go out and shoot the kids who shoot birds."
-- Paul Watson, founder of Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd

-----***** end: Quotes from environmental leaders *****-----




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Old 12-21-2003, 04:50 AM
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Cystein
receptors
liquefying
giving
the
amount
cyanide
consequences
avoidable.
first
made it
anything! ----
"environemental"
not

Facts are facts, science is science. You ranted environmentalists or
greens or what ever has stopped the use of Amyl nitrite. I do have a
passing knowledge of environmental regulations, and there is nothing similar
to what you describe. If you have some reference to what you describe,
please post it for review, or be branded a liar.

Me, a "Native American activist". Now that is a bit of a stretch, not
been to a protest since seige at Oki and those were blood kin.




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Old 12-21-2003, 10:03 PM
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[hanson]
"Teel Adams" <coltom47@earthlink.net> aka
"Teel Adams" <coltom@dcr.net> aka
"Tom Adams" <coltom@dcr.net> [continues to wince & whine like
a Brave that is not brave, or he plays the role of a Cigarstore Indian
trying to animate it and "supposes" with his "passing knowledge"
using the standard tactics of greenshits to lie thru their teeth as
instructed by his role models, icons and masters, which I have
reposted for Tom-Tom's benefit]
[Tom-Tom]
[hanson]
Tom-Tom, you are a lazy green turd. Find your own ****ing references.
To be called "liar" by you, a habitual green turd, is as meaningless
as are your demands, which are standard green shit....ahahahahaha....

[Tom-Tom]

[hanson]
Well then may be you are a cyber cigarstore Indian or "NDN" as you
call them. Perhaps I should drive you up the wall again like last time
when you, Tom-Tom, threatened to kill me in [Only registered users see links. ].....
[Teel Adams:]
…with a traditional Haundanseean war club …
I [Teel Adams] .. … split your [hanson’s] skull open....

[hanson]
Ahahahahhahaha...........ahahahahaha.........ahaha haha....
..........Tom-Tom, the Brave, who is brave in cyber space, is at it
again.....ahahaha..... Shall I repost this whole Haundanseean
episode again, just for good laughs' sake, and so that all normal
folks can see how vicious you green shits really are? ...ahahahaha...
But you are fun to **** with, Tom-Tom. Like most of the green turds....
ahahahahaha.......

Remember this now Tom-Tom/Teel,....This is the philosophy that
you subscribe to and promulgate, only because it feeds you (off the
public trough of course) and it shows what sick, evil, ****ed up
and misanthropic green shits you do follow.

=== Environmentalism is just a despicable, evil money (green) game, ===
=== without any redeeming value, nor any intent to save anything. This ==-
=== scam has come to an end. Now, all the green shits are whining... ===

-----***** start: Quotes from environmental leaders *****-----

"We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic
statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have.
Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being
effective and being honest."
- Stephen Schneider (Stanford professor who first sought fame as
a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)

"If you don't know an answer, a fact, a statistic, then .... make it
up on the spot ... for the mass-media today ... the truth is irrelevant."
-- Paul Watson in Earthforce: An Earth Warrior's Guide to Strategy.

"A lot of environmental messages are simply not accurate. But
that's the way we sell messages in this society. We use hype."
-- Dr. Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, Univ.of Washington

"We already have too much economic growth in the United States.
Economic growth in rich countries like ours is the disease, not the cure."
-- Paul Elrich, Stanford U biologist and Advisor to Vice President Gore

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no
scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect."
-- Richard Benedict, an employee for the State Department working
on assignment for the Conservation Foundation

"We in the Green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which
the killing of a forest will be considered more contemptible and more
criminal than the sale of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels."
-- Carl Amery, Green Party of West Germany

"I got the impression that instead of going out to shoot birds,
I should go out and shoot the kids who shoot birds."
-- Paul Watson, founder of Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd

-----***** end: Quotes from environmental leaders *****-----

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Old 12-22-2003, 01:04 AM
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So, you can not back your propaganda with a fact.
You are no better than those you contend to attack.

Facts child, get me a fact or go home.
..
It is one of the oldest techniques in rhetoric to defame by association,
certainly the unamerican Joseph McC did a much better job than you do.

BTW, in addition to my resume you might include
Tobacco farmer (2400 pounds quota)
Horse trainer
Raiser of state champion turkeys
Noted coin collector, attribuator of three flying eagle and Longacre cents.
Mushroom harvester
Ginseng farmer
Forester
Father of a new daughter, just short of two years old now, she'll be two at
the end of first moon on the new year, (end of January)
Heart attack survivor, quad by-pass (three years in April)
Professional Engineer, chemical and biomedical.
Primary defender of a coal fired powerplant permit and the challenge
launched by Sierra Club.

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Old 12-22-2003, 02:52 AM
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Well, how about that Teel! *** Lot's of congratulations! DAD! ***
That's is such a wonderful age. The time when they begin to walk
and talk and start to become thinking, responsive little human beings.
Cherish every second of being with tiny Teelah. This fantastic time
of marveling over her will NEVER come back! That is wonderful news.
Be the best daddy you can be !!! Enjoy it, dude!


I am sorry to hear that, dude. I hope everything went well and
continues to go well. In your shoes I wouldn't expose myself to
some of the activities you have indicated. AVOID STRESS man!
AVOID STRESS AT ANY COST or you won't be around to see
your daughter's children. To me, such a goal would be far more
important then to **** around on the use-net and play silly games.

Take care of yourself and your beautiful, sweet little babe.
Give her a hug and kisses from me.
Happy Holidays to you and your loved ones.
hanson

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Old 12-22-2003, 03:54 PM
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at

I see you have been the target of one of Hanson's common tactics. When you
present facts that prove him wrong on any point, he will brand uyou a "green
turd" and other less polite terms. I think his hope is that the
embarassing-to-him facts in the case will be ignored in the ensuing
flamewar.



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