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chris mankeyh 09-25-2003 01:42 AM

peracetic acid -vinegar and hydrogen peroxide?
 
I was fishing for a supposedly non toxic way of disinfecting pots and
pans and saw an article about someone using vinegar and hydrogen
peroxide in two spray bottle to disinfect vegetibles. I then read that
this mixture forms peracetic acid. Is it safe to use this mixture?

dlzc@aol.com \(formerly\) 09-25-2003 02:12 AM

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AltaVista Advanced has 193 hits for:
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"4. The effect of the substance on human health.
Peracetic acid is an irritant of the skin, eyes, mucous membranes, and
respiratory tract (NTP, 2000;
Budavari, 1996; Lenga, 1985). When heated to decomposition, it emits acrid
smoke and toxic fumes of
carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. The vapor is heavier than air and can
travel a considerable distance
to a source of ignition and flash back (NTP, 2000).
While it is not rated as a carcinogen by itself (NTP, 2000), studies
indicate that it is a possible cocarcinogen,
promoting tumor production by known carcinogens (Bock, Myers, and Fox,
1976, from
abstract)."

It is effective and dangerous.

David A. Smith



dave.lister@web.de 09-25-2003 08:11 AM

peracetic acid -vinegar and hydrogen peroxide?
 
> AltaVista Advanced has 193 hits for:

Concentrated peracetic acid is really tricky stuff. About 25 years ago
it was shipped in metal cans. At my alma mater a weirdo ordered 10
liters of the stuff and used less than one. The jerry can was stored
in a fridge for about 10 years. The lid started corroding and rust is
a catalyst for peroxides in general to dissociate... dissociate fast.
Nobody used the fridge anymore. It was forgotten til it broke and was
opened again. A few suicidal fellows wrapped the can in ice and very
carefully put it in a working fridge.
A few years later the explosives specialists from the fire dep.
brought the can out into a field and shot at it. I can still hear the
bang. Very very very nasty stuff.

But... if you mix it yourself with commercially available vinegar (ca.
5%) and peroxide (ca. 3%) none of the previous will be relevant. There
will be a bit of the peracetic acid very diluted in water/acetic
acid/peroxide, but as long as you have decent ventilation and don't
let it get on your skin or breathe it, it should not be a problem. And
after a few hours it will be "dead" anyway.

Muhammar 09-25-2003 09:13 AM

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Joe 123 09-25-2003 03:08 PM

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NO thats performic duhhhhhhh every good chemist knows that.:)

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Joe 123 09-25-2003 03:17 PM

peracetic acid -vinegar and hydrogen peroxide?
 
peracetic acid is manufactured using concentrated peroxide and glacial
acetic acid. They are mixed together and allowed to react for weeks to
achieve a high concentration. mixing dilute 3% peroxide with acetic acid
will not make any appreciable amount of peracetic.

You might as well simply use straight peroxide because all your doing is
making your peroxide

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chris mankeyh 09-25-2003 09:39 PM

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I didn't mix the two together. I simply used 2 spray bottles to spray
vinegar and peroxide on and left a fine mist on vegables and pots and
pans and things like that. I rinsed it off.
peroxide on

scott4836 05-16-2012 10:54 AM

Re: peracetic acid -vinegar and hydrogen peroxide?
 
The information is very interesting. Now I'm interested in the properties of vinegar.

Seishomin 05-16-2012 11:14 AM

Re: peracetic acid -vinegar and hydrogen peroxide?
 
Joe123 is correct - there is minimal risk from using spray bottles in the way you describe (except perhaps leaving residual peroxide on food if not rinsed carefully)


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