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Why do ripe fruits -- especially when canned -- smell bad? -- excluding apples and cantaloupes

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Old 07-31-2007, 02:35 AM
neilsf1975@yahoo.com.au
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On Jul 28, 10:32 am, Radium <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote:

Radium,

Why don't you think that you perceive odours differently to most
others? Perhaps the same brain wiring and chemistry that gives you
the disorder you have also means that your senses aren't quite the
same as most?

And even amongst "ordinary" humans there is lots of variation in sense
of smell. For example, where I work it is useful to be able to smell
low concentrations of cyanide (as hydrogen cyanide gas). Most people
smell something like almonds. One person says he doesn't smell it,
but instead he tastes it. There is another who can't smell it at all,
and so is totally dependent on personal electronic sensors and lab
cyanide alarms to warn if something is going wrong.

Unfortunately I forget the chemical, but at a lecture I went to
(relating to smell) a tiny quantity from the front of the theatre. A
few seconds later there were people at the back who could identify
it. Soon about half the room could smell it. The rest of us never
detected it at all.

You might well know somebody who can't smell skunks - one in a
thousand people can't.

Sense of smell is also known to vary with mood. And also people that
have epilepsy sometimes experience strange smells. The way smell
works isn't well understood - there are multiple theories just for the
physical process that goes on in your nose.

So it sounds entirely reasonable to me that what smells fine to others
may sometimes smell immeasurably-foul to you. People do have
different likes and dislikes in smells and tastes for a reason.

Neil

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Old 07-31-2007, 03:01 AM
Mark Thorson
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In college organic chemistry, I worked with strong cyanide
reagents and sometimes they were dumped down the sink
with acids that would liberate HCN gas, causing
evacuation of the undergraduate chem lab, and I never
noticed any odor like almonds or anything else.

Apparently, this is well known.

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Old 07-31-2007, 02:22 PM
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In article <1185849319.816421.163560@x35g2000prf.googlegroups .com>,
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<snipped excellent post for space>


On an odd note, I've noted that my sense of smell has improved
drastically and become FAR more sensitive (almost too sensitive lately)
since I got back in the habit of taking trace minerals.

Just a personal observation.

It's almost annoying. At the moment, it's gotten bad enough to where
it's irritating to be stopped in traffic behind a cigarette smoker in a
car. I appear to be sensitive to that particular stench. (Sorry, but it
smells very bad to me!). :-P

And I'm not even one of those dorks that tends to have a real problem
with smokers rights. I'm against the ban on public smoking as long as
there are places for them to go and I can escape from it...

They recently banned all smoking at work. Needless to say, it's not
working. Visitors are going to smoke so the ban can only be enforced
against employees. No way in hell can security stop patients and
visitors from smoking even tho' they are supposed to try. <G>

I think it's hilarious that they even bothered to pass the "policy".

Now there are cigarette butts all over the ground outside of the ER
because they removed all the ash trays.

Duh.

Anyway, I'm wondering if Trace Mineral supplementation might be able to
help Radium develop a more normal sense of smell. I use "Natures Plus"
brand Trace Minerals. Inexpensive.

They also seem to help with Sciatica pain.
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Old 07-31-2007, 04:51 PM
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In article <[Only registered users see links. ]>,
Omelet <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote:


Sensitivity to tobacco smoke just means that it isn't common in your
environment. Tobacco is very addictive, as witnessed by people on
ventilators, smoking during treatment. Leaving ash trays would just,
as we say now, enable smokers to injure themselves and others. The best
thing that ever came from tobacco was the Bob Newhart routine about Sir
Walter Raleigh phoning England to tell them of his wonderful new
discovery.
--------
.. . . Tob-acco... er, what's tob-acco, Walt?...
It's a kind of leaf, huh?...
And you bought eighty tonnes of it?!!...
Let me get this straight, Walt, you've bought eighty tonnes of leaves?
This may come as a kind of a surprise to you Walt but come fall in
England, we're kinda upto our...
It isn't that kind of leaf, huh?...
Oh!, what kind is it then... some special kind of food?...
Not exactly?...
Oh, it has a lot of different uses, like, what are some of the uses,
Walt?...
Are you saying 'snuff', Walt?...
What's snuff?...
You take a pinch of tobacco, ha! ha! ha!...
And you shove it up your nose. ha! ha! ha!...
and it makes you sneeze? ha! ha! ha!...
Yeh, I imagine it would, Walt! Hey, Goldenrod seems to do it pretty well
over here!
It has other uses though, huh?...
You can chew it!...
Or put it in a pipe!...
Or you can shred it up...
And put it in a piece of paper. ha! ha! ha!...
And roll it up. ha ha ha...
Don't tell me, Walt, don't tell me. ha! ha! ha! you stick it in your
ear, right? ha! ha! ha!...
Oh! between your lips!...
Then what do you do, Walt? ha! ha! ha!...
You set fire to it! ha! ha! ha!...
Then what do you do, Walt?...
Ha! ha! ha! You inhale the smoke, huh! ha! ha! ha!...
You know, Walt... it seems you can stand in front of your own fireplace
and have the same thing going for you!

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A different observation is that I take medication for hypertension (had
it all my life) but it didn't seem to be working. I started drinking
water with "self heal" steeped in it and my blood pressure went to
normal (123/76), which is most un-normal for me. I use 3 oz - 4 oz
chopped-"self heal" (mint and lemon added for flavor)/ waterpitcher. I
let the water pitcher stand for at least an hour and then refill with
water as needed for 2 - 3 days (It is the drinking water). The putative
effects were immediate and enduring. I still take my medications but,
with the doctor's consent, I will cut back on them to see how causal
the relationship is between the "Prunellae vulgaris" and the
hypertension.
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Old 07-31-2007, 08:06 PM
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Radium wrote:


IIRC, "stinky cheese [including Swiss], smelly feet, sweaty shirts,
dirty socks, neck-sweat, back sweat, filthy scalp and unwashed hair" is
exactly how you described this alleged smell when you posted your
annoying foolishness in rec.gardens a year or two ago.

Bob

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Old 07-31-2007, 08:10 PM
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Billy Rose wrote:


It's a false dichotomy. Both words mean the same thing (in spite of
what Hannibal Lecter says)

Bob
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Old 07-31-2007, 08:12 PM
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Radium wrote:


Have you considered taking-up smoking? Perhaps unfiltered cigarettes?
They tend to change one's perception of tastes and smells. HTH ;-)

Bob
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:59 PM
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In article
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Billy Rose <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote:


I won't argue with that, but it did not used to annoy me to be behind a
car at a stoplight with a smoker! I really do think that the proper
supplements have enhanced my sense of smell.



<lol> Too funny, thanks!



I've also heard that lime juice and coconut juice mixed work for
hypertension. And no, that is not meant as humor...

What is the common name of that herbal please?
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Old 08-01-2007, 05:18 PM
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In article <[Only registered users see links. ]>,
Omelet <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote:


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Biological Name: Prunellae vulgaris

Other Names: Prunella, Xia ku cao, self heal, all heal

Parts Used: flower spike

Remedies For:

Antipyretic, diuretic, anti-inflammatory antihypertensive vasodilator.

Prunella is used for painful, red, and/or swollen eyes often associated
with hypertension. It is also very effective for softening and resolving
swollen lymph glands, goiter, breast lumps, cancer and tumors.

Description:

Grows both in the northwestern and north- eastern parts of North America.

Dosage: 9-15 grams

As I wrote, I'm still taking two allopathic medications besides the
Prunella but I was going to have to start a third to get my BP down. I
want to reduce the amount of pharmaceuticals that I'm ingesting as I've
seen them reduce people to alzheimer levels of awareness. Besides, our
species has spent millions of years in dealing with herbs and only a
hundred years, maybe, dealing with the pharmaceutical companies.

I am surprised that the Prunella produced such dramatic and rapid
results. The plant is a type of mint and very easy to grow (as with all
mints). I'm reading different things about what part of the plant to use
but for the time I'm just using the flower spikes. The infusion (cold)
has little taste. I add spearmint or peppermint, plus lemon for flavor.
As I said, we use it for our cold drinking water and just replace the
water that we take out for a couple of days and then make a fresh batch.
Probably only the first pitcher has a therapeutic dose but the effects
seem to linger on.
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Old 08-01-2007, 07:55 PM
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:18:42 -0700, Billy Rose <[Only registered users see links. ]>
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OK......you got my attention. I didn't know heal-all (self-heal) had
hypotensive properties, and I realize results may vary from person to
person, I'm going to have to add this.

How much of a reduction is dramatic and how rapidly did it occur for
you? Sounds like it stabilized your pressure, as well. And are you
using any other herbals, like hawthorne. I'm trying to get a grip on
my elevation here.

FB - FFF
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