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I thought you would be amused.... Malcolm Ogilvie, pro hunt extremist and BULLY ALERT!

I thought you would be amused.... Malcolm Ogilvie, pro hunt extremist and BULLY ALERT! - Botany Forum

I thought you would be amused.... Malcolm Ogilvie, pro hunt extremist and BULLY ALERT! - Botany Forum


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Old 04-11-2007, 08:15 PM
Pete ‹(•¿•)›
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Default I thought you would be amused.... Malcolm Ogilvie, pro hunt extremist and BULLY ALERT!



On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:30:17 +0100, Malcolm
<[Only registered users see links. ].uk> wrote:


Of course you're right, but do I detect some jealousy?


Speaking of claims. Do you remember when you copied Konters book on
grebes and got caught out, after making all sorts of false claims/
Just before you were booted out of the RSPB for being a liar and
fraud, and demon.local as it happens.

Here it is in case you forgot....

Message from discussion Malcolm gets a kicking

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Newsgroups: demon.local, uk.environment.conservation,
talk.politics.animals, uk.rec.birdwatching, uk.rec.natural-history
From: Malcolm <[Only registered users see links. ].uk>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:47:55 +0000
Local: Fri 29 Nov 2002 23:47
Subject: Malcolm gets a kicking
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In article <[Only registered users see links. ]>, Paul Rooney
<[Only registered users see links. ]> writes



Thank you, Paul.

I shall refrain from wondering too much about your motives in suddenly
publicising the above - I don't remember you ever recommending a book
before - just a couple of days after you learnt that my own book
entitled 'Grebes of the World' has just been published. However, I'm
grateful for the opportunity to say that my book is available from
[Only registered users see links. ] and other suppliers.


It is a very different book from the above, being a large-format
volume
of 24 stunning plates by Chris Rose, one of our leading wildlife
artists, who has observed grebes across the world and who suggested
the
project to a publisher. While I haven't seen quite all the species
Chris
has, the publisher was kind enough to ask me to write an accompanying
text in the form of a series of essays, rather than follow a strict
'handbook' format, together with a longish introduction covering all
the
main aspects of grebes' lives. Appendices contain the basic biological
information about each species, together with explanations of the
derivations of the English and scientific names, something of a hobby
of
mine.


It will indeed look very nice indeed on anyone's shelves - if you can
afford it :-))


--
Malcolm
wrote:





Don't mention it. I was a little surprised that you didn't come across
it in your extensive research though (-:

--
Paul Rooney


Quotes of the year from demon.local:
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4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
"Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"


In article <[Only registered users see links. ]>, Paul Rooney
<[Only registered users see links. ]> writes








You shouldn't jump to conclusions. And you shouldn't try and score
points when you don't have all the facts. Do you know anything about
it
at all except what you read in the advert?

I have a copy. Have you?


--
Malcolm


On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:56:58 +0000, Malcolm <[Only registered users see links. ].uk>
wrote:












Did I jump to the wrong conclusion? It's just that you did say yours
was the first ever book on the subject, so I not unreasonably
concluded that you were unaware of the earlier work.
Humble apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick.

--
Paul Rooney


Quotes of the year from demon.local:
"You *will* either disappear or post with a sig of
4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
"Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"


In article <[Only registered users see links. ]>, Paul Rooney
<[Only registered users see links. ]> writes












You did. Apology accepted.

--
Malcolm


On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:49:43 +0000, Malcolm <[Only registered users see links. ].uk>
wrote:
















Good-oh!
So just to be clear - what did you mean when you said yours was the
first book ever devoted to this particular group of birds?

--
Paul Rooney


Quotes of the year from demon.local:
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4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
"Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"



"Paul Rooney" <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message






ROFL :-)


<[Only registered users see links. ].uk> wrote:


You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.

Malcolm


In article <[Only registered users see links. ]>,
[Only registered users see links. ].uk says...










KONTER (Andre) - Grebes of our World. Visiting all Species on Five
Continents - 2001, 8vo. 187pp. Colour photographs, line drawings. A
description of the 22 species of grebes, their natural history,
ecology
and behaviour.

Grebes of the World
Malcolm Ogilvie
The book starts with an authoritative introduction on the origin,
evolution, distribution, physiology and behaviour of grebes, followed
by
accounts of each of the 22 species


Malcolm it looks as though Konter might dispute that statement!
--
Rob


In article <[Only registered users see links. ]>, Rob Jack
<[Only registered users see links. ]> writes

















Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter,
but
please note that you are replying to a forged message.

Can I advise that people look at the headers of any messages
purporting
to come from me, now that Pete has started forging people's names and
e-mail addresses again. The above message ID ends in @4ax. I post
through Demon so mine end in @indaal.demon.co.uk, the same as my
e-mail
address. You'll also note that the forged message didn't have a
Reply-to
header line. Mine do.


--
Malcolm Ogilvie


wrote:





You're not the first academic to propagate an untruth in order to look
good, and I doubt you'll be the last. A bit shabby though,
particularly as it took you so long to own up.

--
Paul Rooney


Quotes of the year from demon.local:
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4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
"Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"


In article <[Only registered users see links. ]>, Paul Rooney
<[Only registered users see links. ]> writes








Hmm, I think you should look to your own behaviour before rushing to
criticise others.

The error I made was in a chatty piece about the actual writing of the
book which I posted to a non-birdwatching newsgroup where I wasn't
advertising the book and didn't even give the title of the book or the
name of the publisher. You then chose to introduce the subject of
books
on grebes to this newsgroup by suggesting the other book as a good
Christmas present without mentioning mine. This deliberate, even
shabby,
action of yours was perhaps not unconnected with the fact that, having
a
little while ago accidentally discovered, via a crosspost, the
newsgroup
in which I had posted my piece, you set about being deliberately
disruptive, flooding it with nearly 700 messages in just four weeks,
for
which behaviour you have been rightly criticised by myself and many
other regulars of that newsgroup.


BTW, that's twice you've called me an academic. Why? It is my
understanding that academics work in universities. I don't and never
have.


--
Malcolm


On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:22:13 +0000, Malcolm <[Only registered users see links. ].uk>
wrote:














You clearly and explicitly stated that yours was the first book on the
subject, in the full knowledge that the topic had recently been
covered very thoroughly in Konter's book.
The facts speak for themselves. You are a liar who only had the grace
to own up when you had been found out - you even persisted in giving
the impression that you were the first to write it *after* I had drawn
attention to your untruth. Your apology comes a little late.
You do yourself no credit in introducing other, wholly irrelevant
matters in order to deflect criticism from your behaviour. Shame on
you.

--
Paul Rooney


Quotes of the year from demon.local:
"You *will* either disappear or post with a sig of
4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
"Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"



"Malcolm" <[Only registered users see links. ].uk> wrote in message








--


Avoid the rush at the last judgement. Be converted now instead!


PRAYER FOR A NATION


When Pastor Joe Wright, of Central Christian Church, was asked
to open the new session of the Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting
the usual politically correct generalities.
But what they heard instead was this:

Heavenly Father, we come before You today to ask Your forgiveness
and seek your direction and guidance.
We know Your Word says,
‘Woe on those who call evil good,’ but that’s exactly what we have done.
We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and inverted our values.

We confess that:

We have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word and called it pluralism;

We have, worshipped other gods and called it multiculturalism;

We have endorsed perversion and called it an alternative lifestyle;

We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery;

We have neglected the needy and called it self-preservation;

We have killed our unborn and called it choice;

We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem;

We have abused power and called it political savvy;

We have coveted our neighbour’s possessions and called it ambition;

We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression;

We have ridiculed the time-honoured values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.

Search us, 0 God, and know our hearts today; try us and see if there be some wicked way in us;
cleanse us from every sin and set us free. Guide and bless these men and women who have
been sent here by the people of Kansas, and who have been ordained by You, to govern this great state.

Grant them Your wisdom to rule and may their decisions direct us to the centre of Your will. I ask it in the name of Your Son, the Living Saviour, Jesus Christ. Amen.”


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