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Old 11-29-2004, 09:51 AM
Archimedes Plutonium
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This is a question following from several observations of a elm tree.
There was an elm tree that was wind damaged and the limbs finally came
down after several years hanging in the tree. It was old and dry but
very strong and much harder to break than a green limb.

So I am wondering what is the preparation for the strongest wood from a
given tree. Whether the weakest wood is the green alive wood. Whether
cut wood that is dried in a dryer is stronger than green wood. And
finally whether the strongest wood of all is to kill the entire tree and
let it dry for several years and then harvest the wood.

If true, what is the explanation?

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Old 12-01-2004, 05:19 AM
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Explanations I don't have, but it's well known that locust wood
(commonly known as "ironwood") can be fairly easily cut when green, but
is some of the toughest wood in the world after curing. If you have a
locust tree come down in your yard, you'd be wise to cut it up
immediately. After as little as a few weeks it may be hard enough to
wear out a chain saw. You can hurt yourself, even break a bone, trying
to cut cured locust limbs with a sharp axe (just bounces off). Locust
fence posts commonly last MUCH longer in the ground than will pressure
treated pine or fir. Greatly preferred by farmers, but they ALWAYS cut
the wood while it's green. Otherwise, it's for the landfill.

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Old 12-03-2004, 02:19 PM
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Archimedes Plutonium <[Only registered users see links. ]> wrote in message news:<[Only registered users see links. ]>...

Dry wood is stronger than green wood. Go look it up in the
authoritative Wood Handbook, which you can find online chapter by
chapter as free downloadable .pdf files.
See chapter 4 on mechanical properties.
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See Table 4-11a on page 4-28 showing the difference between green wood
and dry (~12% moisture) wood. Read the rest of the book for
explanations.

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Old 12-30-2004, 05:12 PM
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The strongest tissue is always the sclerenchyma, those cells of the tree
whose purpose is to strengthen and stabilize. Technically, sclerenchyma
cells are 'dead', in that moisture has migrated from the cell leaving only
the lignan (hence, 'lignification') behind.

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Old 12-30-2004, 05:28 PM
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Hold it! Wood never contains any sclerenchyma.
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Old 01-01-2005, 06:55 AM
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Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:12:51 GMT David J Bockman wrote:


Thanks for the information. I will keep it in my notes file, who knows it may
come useful in future.

Say, you would not know whether animal bodies have a cell which produces the
strongest and stabilizing form that is the analogy to sclerenchyma???

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Old 01-01-2005, 09:10 AM
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It is false
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I will keep it in my notes file, who knows it may come useful in future.

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Old 01-01-2005, 06:41 PM
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What is false?

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Old 01-01-2005, 06:46 PM
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That wood contains sclerenchyma (let alone that it plays any part)
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Old 01-08-2005, 10:58 PM
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The cells are called "osteoblasts" and are common in many vertebrates.

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