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Old 10-28-2004, 07:00 AM
Archimedes Plutonium
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I keep building this pretty theory that the animal kingdom is the dual
of the plant kingdom and that when life was first created on Earth that
almost simultaneously the animals and plants were created at once, or
perhaps days apart and near by one another to start to affect and help
grow one another. Life created on Earth was from a energetic cosmic ray
that was stopped, say in the primeval oceans and a batch of plants and a
few animal microorganisms were created there.

But I have some trouble with the question of whether there are only 2
kingdoms to compose life or whether there are 4 or more where plants and
animals are just one set of duals. Are the bacteria a different kingdom
and is there a dual compliment to the bacteria? So this question has
been troubling me for some time. It is not tidy and neat.

The idea that springs to my mind is that one kingdom-- the plants seek
energy from the outside in that of the Sun whereas animals seek energy
from other living creatures-- the plants. So can I say that there is one
set of duals of only plants to animals and base that set on their source
of energy? Can I say that each bacteria is either a plant bacteria or a
animal bacteria depending on what supplies them with energy?

I kind of think I can. I kind of think that there is just one set of
quantum duals.

Some may say that viruses would be in this picture somewhere. I tend to
look at viruses as part of a existing genome or species. So that the
Homo sapiens species is not just the human DNA but also all the viruses
that affect human DNA. I consider viruses as transposons or mobile DNA.

I suspect that if all humans were eliminated in the world save for the
viruses that affected humans, that the human genome can thence be
reconstructed in large part, but perhaps not all, from those viruses.

I am the author of this Compounding theory that replaces Darwin
Evolution.

So the question arises as to whether bacteria evince compounding. Can
viruses compound into forming bacteria? Can bacteria compound into
forming viruses?

Compounding would then say that you need only one set of Duals of plants
to animals and then everything else is a compound of the initial plant
and animal that started life on Earth.

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Old 10-28-2004, 09:32 AM
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Perhaps, but only after another 4 billion years.
Reconstruction here, is via evolution in time.




You need to read the work of Lynn Margulis whose
theory of endosymbiosis already replaces Darwin's
evolution. She deals with Five Kingdoms.




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Old 10-28-2004, 09:21 PM
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And I am also troubled by how to fit the rock-eating microbes into a
PlantKingdom dual to an AnimalKingdom.

This is a challenge because the Plant kingdom is one that lives off the Sun
energy whereas RockEaters live off the chemical energy of rocks and do not
need the Sun.

I prefer to think that Biology is just 2 Kingdoms where one is the dual
compliment of the other and I prefer these two to be just the PlantKingdom
and AnimalKingdom and to fit every species in one or the other.

So RockEaters pose a huge challenge.

Bacteria do not pose a challenge because they are easily classified as
photosynthethic or living off of other biological units as animals, unless
the bacteria are rockeaters.

Viruses do not pose a challenge because they are thought of as transposons
or mobile genes and belong to the same genome which they parasitize.

I suppose the answer to my problem would be to find some way of finding out
which came first on Earth, the Rockeaters or Photosynthetic plants. Which
preceded the other?

Quantum Duality in contrast to Darwin Evolution can create both the
Rockeaters and photosynthetic algae simultaneously and independently as
well as animals. But Darwin Evolution would tend to imply that one came
first and the others were evolved from that one stock.

Perhaps it is just a matter of precisely defining what it means for an
animal to live on other biology already in existence and what it means for
a plant to extract energy from its environment. For both photosynthetic
algae and rockeaters extract energy from their nonliving environment. So
maybe it is just a puzzle because precise definition of extraction of
energy from nonliving environment is not well understood.

Perhaps RockEaters came first and that it is precisely in rocks that
neutrinos are stopped and where their energy content transforms into a
biological living unit of a microbe. And that via Compounding of these
Rockeaters that they gradually became mutated enough that they started to
live not on rock chemistry but on light from the Sun.

Has anyone researched RockEaters to see if they could be compounded to form
a blue-green algae?

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Old 10-28-2004, 09:45 PM
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:21:23 -0500, Archimedes Plutonium
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"RockEaters" are not the only serious challenge to your notion of
quantum-type complementarity of Plant/Animal. Unfortunately for you,
Biology doesn't care that you prefer to think of just two Kingdoms.
The living world has never paid any attention to humankind's many
diverse attempts to classify and sort it out -- it just goes on living
and evolving. However, humans have paid some attention. There are
very good reasons why we have moved from two to five to six Kingdoms
and probably will move upwards from that. There are very good reasons
why we have moved to the notion of two Domains, neither of which fits
your Plant/Animal duality. No doubt in the future there will be other
very good reasons to reorganize things around different ideas. But
Plant/Animal duality is extremely unlikely to be the new organizing
principle.



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Old 10-31-2004, 03:02 PM
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Lynn Margulis replaces natural selection?

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Old 11-01-2004, 03:58 PM
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Archimedes Plutonium wrote:


Only if you insist on clinging on to a frankly very silly theory.


If you think of life as a consequence of the presence of energy being
present along with the correct conditions for life, then the supposed
duality disappears. Life simply uses energy; doesn't matter how it gets it.


Photosynthesis works by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen. An
earlier photosynthesis mechanism split hydrogen sulphide into hydrogen
and sulphur; this effectively was both one of your "rockeaters" and
"photosynthetic" bacteria.

I shall be interested to hear how you resolve this unity into a dichotomy.

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Old 11-01-2004, 07:02 PM
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someone wrote:


I would not call the Bohr-Einstein debates to EPR to Bell Inequality to Aspect
Experiments to Superdeterminisn any whole or part thereof as "frankly very silly
theory". The Bohr-Einstein debates ended with John Bell's Superdeterminism. That
implies that Quantum Physics applies to cosmic distances and life itself.


Apparently you have not given much thought here. Because a planet with plant
kingdom alone cannot utilize the chemistry available on Earth as efficiently.
The most efficient use of chemistry on any planet ready for life is to have both
animal kingdom and plant kingdom created virtually simultaneously to one
another.

So you flunked on your own logic when you say "life simply uses energy" because
plant kingdom alone cannot efficiently use energy.


As I replied to Elie in a different post. The deciding-experiments involve the
greatest use of the periodic chart of chemical elements. If you have a planet
that has life, can it be only plant life? Can it be only rockeaters?

If it can be proven that a planet that has life must be able to make the
*greatest use* of the Periodic Chart of Chemical Elements wherein the Plant
kingdom uses 34% of the chemical elements from hydrogen to bismuth and the
Animal Kingdom uses 33% of the chemical elements for a combined total of 67% of
the chemical elements. That is the Dual Complimentarity of the kingdoms of
biology-- the maximal use of chemistry.

You mistake unity for commonality. Plants and animals have DNA common to both
but that is not unity. Duality implies a Maximum Use of a resource such as
energy.

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Old 11-01-2004, 08:04 PM
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Archimedes Plutonium wrote:


So is West Nile virus a bird, a horse, a human, or...?

M. Reed
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Old 11-01-2004, 10:27 PM
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I suspect that you may be assuming that conditions were the same at
the creation of life as they are today. An Oxygen atmosphere on a
young planet is unlikely, as there are too many mineral elements
that tend to react to free O2. There are very few cosmic sources of
O2 as well, there is a considerable quantity of water, carbon
dioxide, and other combined sources that may be used as a source for
an Oxygen atmosphere, but only after some action that would tend to
produce it. Animal life needs a sufficient excess of O2 that nothing
that you would call an "animal" would have appeared until a long
time after things that you might call "plants" had been around and
photosynthesizing. There are anaerobic bacteria that don't need
Oxygen, but on a basic level, they are poisoned by O2, and wouldn't
do well in the company of some plant-thing that was busy making it.
In other words, photosynthesizers, and anaerobes just don't get
along.

Sean


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Old 11-01-2004, 10:29 PM
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It is the biological equivalent of eBay.

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