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Old 09-15-2003, 03:37 AM
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Default Are you a mental slave of JABRIOL? Probably, it seems

Are you a mental slave of JABRIOL? Want to stop being his tool?
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This post is long - sorry, it gives a lot of information and proof. It
shows you that at present you are acting like a SERVANT of JABRIOL. Then,
it tells you how to stop this, and rid your NG of JABRIOL. And how you will
also help victims of rape, of spousal abuse and of cults.


JABRIOL is a sociopathic usenet poster with a very long and vicious record
of hurting and damaging people, ranging from taunting rape survivors that
evolution shows that they wanted or needed it, repeatedly goading victims
of spousal abuse that they deserved it (I counted over seventy occasions
when he did this to just one victim, reminding her of the events with
gleeful repeated references to "pinding her face into a bloody pulp",
"whumping", "whumpeding", "whomping" etc. - also calling her filthy,
menopausal, ugly, fat, a liar and so on), to boasting how he had his
teenage daughter evicted for refusing to bow to the rules of his weird cult
(more on this later) and then laughingly refused to let her back in even
though she by then had a young baby and nowhere to go and revelling at her
ill-fortune. Here, don't take my word for it:

[Only registered users see links. ]
[Only registered users see links. ]

But the best thrill JABRIOL got was from repeatedly mocking chronic
depression sufferers, advising them that evolution calls for them to "off"
themselves. One poor young man who JABRIOL so directly advised (JABRIOL
addressed his letter personally to the boy) went off, followed the advice
and committed suicide, decapitating himself under a train. Here, don't take
my word for it:

[Only registered users see links. ]

You can spend hours going through the threads - it only gets worse and
worse. Was that enough for JABRIOL? Oh no. He then taunted the dead boy's
mother (with reminders of the event) and uttered (carefully veiled) threats
of legal action against her for her cries of anguish. Go through the
threads listed by the above URL, and you will find it all.

Some of the worst stuff has been nuked from the archives, but you can see
it ("laid his head on a railroad track, and allowed it to be severed and
bounced around a few meters most likely crushing his skull and eyeballs to
pop out like a bullet?") quoted by another:

[Only registered users see links. ]

Not content, on August 15, 2001 JABRIOL leaped upon the dead boy's grieving
"love interest" Sepideh with the charming "he laid his head on amtrack
rail, and got it severed from his neck.. which rolled around for a few
meters.. at least that is what his mother says or implies. [..] Of course,
ask mrs Dubose... I always wonder if he laid face down or face up. was his
head sewed back to his neck.. etc. His mother doesnt say...". Find it hard
to believe? Here, don't take my word for it:

[Only registered users see links. ]

The poor girl never posted again on the internet (at least, not with that
email) after August 15, 2001. Here, don't take my word for it:

[Only registered users see links. ]

And now JABRIOL even jests about whether the poor boy was raped before he
committed suicide. Right, so now you have a little idea of how wicked and
evil JABRIOL is.


Your newsgroup is one of over 150 NGs targeted by JABRIOL to start
flame-wars. JABRIOL's technique is to cross-post to a number of groups
(ALWAYS including alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, the anti-cult recovery and
information newsgroup to help Jehovah's Witnesses escape from their
mind-control cult) very incorrect, misleading, insulting or inflammatory
material, and stir up the maximum amount of noise and confusion. Typically,
JABRIOL's post will attempt to discredit the science of evolution, or
mysteriously blame evolution or the belief in it for everything that is
wrong with the world. The level of science in his posts is pre-school.
There is a natural desire to correct the numerous mistakes (e.g., JABRIOL
asserts there is zero evidence of transitional life forms!) and idiocies
(e.g., JABRIOL will bring in the "manpanzee") in his posts. JABRIOL will
then respond with worse insults, and more stupidity, often changing the
groups posted to and also the Follow-up: header, to maximise the mischief.
He will not admit his mistakes. After correction, he will post the same
mistake again somewhere else, or after a few weeks back in the same group,
completely ignoring that his "facts" have been refuted. Typical troll-like


JABRIOL is a troll by definition (posting so as to provoke an angry
response) - but a troll with an extra and evil agenda. It is an agenda
almost no one is aware of. Learn the agenda, and you know how to defeat
JABRIOL. But before I explain the agenda, you need to know ONE - just ONE -
key fact about JABRIOL.


JABRIOL is one of Jehovah's Witnesses, and has been for decades. This has
been verified repeatedly. See the proof here (as well as in his 10+ year
posting history on the Internet), don't take my word for it:

http://google.com/groups?selm=3f3e4c48$0$68253$c3e8da3@news.astraweb .com
[Only registered users see links. ]

You will also learn JABRIOL's read identity and personal information. You
must not use this to harass him. Just love those JWs who come banging on
your door that extra bit!


Sure, JABRIOL's extremely rude and disgusting actions do not reflect the
polite manners of the JWs who come knocking at your door. But actually,
JABRIOL gives you an insight into the hate (yes - personal hate - the JWs
insist Jesus did not mean it when he said "love thy enemy") and utter
contempt with which the Watchtower cult views all "worldly people".

You probably know that the Jehovah's Witnesses teach that everyone who is
not part of their cult organization will be slaughtered at "Armageddon" by
"Jehovah", and that the genocide is imminent (tomorrow?). But you probably
do not know that JW literature has referred to folks like you and I as
being the "walking dead" and the "birdseed class" (i.e., food for birds),
and often gleefully describes, even illustrates, appalling scenes of
carnage and torture that Jehovah will wreak on all of us for not submitting
to the rule of the Watchtower from Brooklyn!

JABRIOL simply does not bother to conceal his feelings (as the others have
been taught to). He thinks you are worthless scum, and his actions reflect
his thoughts. He views you as being as good as dead, and he may well
shortly own your house (Armageddon of the Witnesses will leave the earth
pretty undamaged, only all non-JWs eliminated). Yep, the Watchtower has
even specified a pecking order for the great land grab.

But I am not really here to knock the Jehovah's Witnesses. You probably
already think they are kooks, and - should you want to - you will find
plenty to laugh at in the work of one kick-ass anti-JW called "Prominent
Bethelite" exposing their lunacy in:

[Only registered users see links. ]
[Only registered users see links. ]
[Only registered users see links. ]
[Only registered users see links. ]

Many/all religions are nuts, but the Watchtower cult has the "large number
of adherents" sects plain beat for sheer nuttiness.

But if you think the cult is harmless, that is far from the truth. This
cult really hurts (and kills) its deluded and brainwashed followers, not
just through its ludicrous ban on blood transfusions (before that,
vaccinations and transplants). The policy that once in the cult you should
have only JW friends (this is typical for mind-control cults) combined with
their unshakeable law that if leave the cult you will be shunned forever by
all JWs (thus including all your loved ones, typically...) cruelly forces
hundreds of thousands to live a lie.

Not to speak of the mental illness caused by the belief that Satan rules
the world and so it is pointless trying to improve anything, and that you
are any moment now going to see all the non-JWs you love murdered by
"Christ riding a white horse and a horde of vengeful angels" (that is, over
6,100,000,000 people massacred, including over 2,200,000,000 young kids;
current demographic data from the U.N. website) - and that you will join
them unless you spend almost every hour you have attending boring meetings
and going door-to-door peddling Watchtower literature for no pay. JWs show
rates of mental disease between 4 and 40 times that of the general
population (the above URLs contain the data): while the cult attracts the
nuts, some of this must be because it makes them worse.

Needless to say, education is frowned upon and higher education ridiculed.
This is because an informed JW may soon be a non-JW (except for the
shunning threat).

Whistle-blowing to the police is seriously frowned on, if it brings the
cult into disrepute (someone who breaks this is likely to be expelled,
which to the brainwashed JW is like a death sentence). All crimes are
supposed to be dealt with internally, and for action to proceed, two
witnesses to the same occurrence of the crime must be found. The victim can
be one of these two - but in the case of child molestation, where is the
second witness going to be found? Naturally, the cult has become a
veritable "pedophile's paradise", and a brave JW exposed a secret database
maintained at WT H.Q. containing a list of 23,720 JWs who were suspected
child molesters that had not been disclosed to the proper authorities. Of
course, the brave whistle-blower was excommunicated and abused and
threatened for what he had done.

The people at the top of the cult, and loads of the "elders" who rule the
foot-soldiers, know it is all a hoax, but of course it suits them to play
along. The top dogs (all old men) get a fantastic lifestyle, and the elders
(all men, most old) get lots of opportunity to wield their power, not to
mention a large choice of young, totally submissive women (they outnumber
men vastly within this cult) to wed and bed and rule.

JABRIOL is not that untypical a JW - he is just honest enough (?) not to
hide his true feelings.


The Watchtower Cult has actually extended its 50 year long ban on its
members even looking at anything critical of "God's organization on earth"
and forbade its ordinary members from participating on the Internet
(JABRIOL has special dispensation), because of the huge amount of online
information debunking the Jehovah's Witnesses which they would encounter.
The freeminds.org URLs I provided above provide the exact citation.

The WT did this because:
(a) JWs have no reasonable prospect of making converts on the net - too
many people to refute them. JWs only succeed in converting people behind
closed doors.
(b) Many sincere JWs (human curiosity makes them peep) start defending
their cult online, get inveigled in discussions or arguments with us, and
then find to their horror that we know much more about their cult than they
do themselves, and gradually it begins to dawn on them that the cult is one
big lie, has made asses of them and has used them as slaves. This leads to
them "being stumbled" (JW euphemism for "learning that the Watchtower is a
fraud") and quitting,
(c) Many other semi-interested people, perhaps who have just received a
visit from the JWs (or who are about to), come asking for advice and
information and are given the real facts about the Jehovah's Witnesses,
plenty of juicy material with which to refute and embarass the JWs on their
doorstep ("broadcasting the stumbling", perhaps putting some of those JWs
on the exit path from the destructive cult). Remember, these JWs have been
trained in tricky arguing, and believe (poor souls) that "God wants them to
lie" if it puts the Watchtower in a good light. Again, proof in the
freeminds.org URLs above.


JABRIOL learned long ago that when he tried to convert people to the JW
cult online, he got blasted out of the water by people like myself. We can
prove (with online scans) the sheer idiocy of the Watchtower doctrines, how
the JWs keep changing them to and fro (on many issues up to a dozen
180-degree swings in their teachings over the last 100 years), how the
organization has repeatedly lied to its members about its own history, its
appalling hypocrisy (abusing other religions for things when it has done
exactly the same thing itself and then covered it up) and, most absued of
all, that it has prophesied the end of the world for four dates in the 20th
century alone but still with immense impudence not only claims that it is
not a false prophet but that all other faiths are disgusting and satanic!

So, JABRIOL changed his tactics. He knew that as long as there is an
effective newsgroup (it used to be talk.religion.misc - but after that
turned into mainly a JW-bashing forum, a dedicated NG
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn was formed) where people like myself can be
found, his online work was worthless.

So, quite rationally for him, JABRIOL decided to DESTROY
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn - HIS #1 HATED TARGET.


I already told you that JABRIOL's cross-posts always include the NG
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn (if you doubt this, you can see this yourself
from the URLs I provided at the top).

So all those incensed with his trolling inadvertently dump their furious
answers to JABRIOL into alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, which becomes
unreadable as a result. 85%-90% of posts in arj-w are responses to
JABRIOL's trolls in other groups.

The result in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn is exactly the chaos that JABRIOL

* Wavering JWs run a mile from the NG, so we have no chance to help them.
* Interested ones seeking information (either because they are getting
sucked into the cult, or they know of a loved one who is) read arj-w and
think it is a bunch of loons raving about manpanzees and chimp-rape, how
the American school system is devil-inspired and so on, and they leave.
* Eventually, the anti-cult experts in arj-w quit in disgust or
frustration, leaving the field to JABRIOL.

Thereby JABRIOL achieves his agenda - and all responding to him (without
trimming the response NGs) assist.

IS alt.religion.jehovahs-witn JABRIOL'S ONLY TARGET FOR DESTRUCTION?

As already stated, alt.religion.jehovahs-witn is targeted by JABRIOL as in
arj-w there are many experts who can bunk every facet of his beloved
Watchtower Cult. So it is his prime target.

JABRIOL also targets any other groups where people are likely to learn that
the Watchtower's teachings are bunkum. Two obvious ones are talk.origins
and sci.anthropology.paleo.

JABRIOL targeted talk.origins for years - it was always part of his
follow-up groups, together with alt.religion.jehovahs-witn.

In talk.origins, we dismantle the crazy claims of young-earth creationists
(who argue that the earth is only a few thousand years old - ludicrous
nonsense) and of young-man creationists (who argue as JABRIOL and the
Jehovah's Witnesses do, that man arrived by divine creation about six
thousand years ago - also ludicrous nonsense that flies in the face of tons
of proof of the contrary) and of many nutters with in-between beliefs.

JABRIOL so disrupted talk.origins with his lying, abusing, spamming,
endlessly repeating refuted claims and cut-and-pasting pseudo-scientific
garbage from Hitchings and the like, and other calculatedly psychopathic
behavior that by common agreement a "JABfilter" had to be installed, and
finally a moderator-enforced ban that stopped him cross-posting (thereby
bringing in furious posters from other NGs) - he remained free to post,
just not to x-post, his destructive weapon.

talk.origins is now 100% JABRIOL-free, and the atmosphere there is vastly
improved. People who genuinely believe in creationism are gently helped to
see the error of their ways, without the disruption of JABRIOL. And JABRIOL
hates that - just hear him jabber (over 5,000 matches here!)!

[Only registered users see links. ]

alt.religion.jehovahs-witn must remain free (of censorship and moderation)
if it is to encourage in the nervous and hurt and grieving. So we cannot
use the talk.origins method of eliminating JABRIOL, sadly.

The NG sci.anthropology.paleo has much the same problem as has
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn. On s.a.p., there are experts in paleontology,
well able to refute JABRIOL's ludicrous claim that there is no fossil
record supporting evolution. So JABRIOL does his best to make that
newsgroup unreadable too, by almost always including sci.anthropology.paleo
among the groups to which those people responding to JABRIOL will post to.


So you have understood that JABRIOL is using you. He deliberately provokes
you by posting inflammatory, insulting and absurd material into your
newsgroup, and directs your annoyed replies to places like
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn and sci.anthropology.paleo.

Your posts - by the thousand - makes those groups seriously dysfunctional,
and so achieves JABRIOL's aim of making the Internet less able to rescue
people from, or prevent people joining, the evil Watchtower Cult to which
he subscribes.

How to defeat JABRIOL's agenda? Here is how:

* * * *
Simplest is to ignore him and KILLFILE him. I agree this can be quite
taxing given the odious and provocatively ignorant nature of what he posts.
But see what your replies are doing - they are ASSISTING him in his goal,
the destruction of the one newsgroup which rescues people from the clutches
of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
* * * *

If not replying is just too hard for you to accomplish:

* * * *
Please trim (i.e. REMOVE) the following TWO newsgroups:
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn and sci.anthropology.paleo
from the list of newsgroups before you post your response.
* * * *

You will not be depriving yourself of any responses in the thread - hardly
anyone responds to JABRIOL from arj-w or s.a.p., as we know his tricks too

It is as simple as that. You will voluntarily be doing what talk.origins
did with an anti-xpost filter.


Do the above and stop acting like JABRIOL's servant or fool. JABRIOL will
eventually abandon your newsgroup as it is not achieving his aim (which, I
repeat, is attracting off-topic cross-posts to pollute and destroy the
newsgroups which refute the Watchtower's Jehovah's Witness teachings). You
will be a popular hero, and get more sex and money than you can handle
(well, maybe not)!

Proof that it will work? Even though he is not blocked or banned from
posting there, JABRIOL never posts to talk.origins now - because the filter
prevents him directing the xpost flood to talk.origins,
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn and sci.anthropology.paleo. That proves his
agenda, and proves how to subvert it and defeat JABRIOL.


I can appeal to your better judgment and your sense of fair play. You are
going to go on sending replies to JABRIOL to alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
(and perhaps sci.anthropology.paleo)? So why do you love JABRIOL so much?
You must obey him, and respect him, and want him in your newsgroup, as you
allow yourself to be totally manipulated by him and you encourage him by
doing just what he wants you to do (i.e. post off-topic material to
arj-w/s.a.p. to destroy them).

If I were manipulative, I would say "So the next time some JW kid or
deluded JW adult dies from refusing a blood transfusion (happens every few
days), maybe they would not have if arj-w had been allowed to function
properly. Maybe, as the crunch time approach, the decision-maker would have
turned to the Internet for a second-opinion, but just saw a flood of
nonsense in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn and so departed." But I am not
manipulative, so I will not. I'll just ask why you would be such a follower
of a cruel, vindictive, heartless, mean-spirited S.O.B. as JABRIOL, and why
you want to give him what he wants, rather than what he so richly deserves.

Please help us. JABRIOL is destroying our group, and using YOU to do this.
Thereby perpetuating the foul aims of the destructive cult of the Jehovah's

Thanks for your time reading this. I'll end with a quote from a regular of
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn about JABRIOL's cult:

"The Watchtower Society and the Jehovah's Witnesses Cult is an embodiment
to finish."

- - Cornholio

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Old 09-15-2003, 02:53 PM
Iris Cohen
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Very Interesting. Now get lost.
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Old 09-15-2003, 04:12 PM
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Iris Cohen <[Only registered users see links. ]> schreef

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What politeness!
Also what optimism (in hoping a protest will make any difference)!
I just made one more addition to my killfile.

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